Just puncture the boats

[robs1]

Not sure if people in this thread realise that it's perfectly possible to have a strict policy on economic migrants, but also have a safe and effective means for asylum seekers to access the UK.

They could apply for asylum from france, perhaps they know they arent eligible

 

[Henarar]

I really don't think people on here realise how rubbish life is in the countries that these people are coming from. Maybe they aren't being persecuted but life isn't good. If it costs $3000 to get passage often it's funded by other family members at home once someone is working in Europe then the money gets paid back. My wifes family were migrants and the men went first and sent money back home.

Yes I would think it has got worse since the bitter boys moved there but its never that bad is it

 

[BrianV]

You've evidently not travelled much. I don't see how they are going to sort out Libya with its warlords or Syria with its dictator or Afghanistan with the Taliban all countries f...ed up by us. You reap what you sow.

You might be surprised where I end up to, whatever you say these countries will not be helped by the best of their youth leaving! Maybe we should send our dozy politicians in the opposite direction.

 

[Henarar]

Refugees can claim asylum economic migrants cant, friend said he had seen news footage of french police sat in their vans watching migrants getting into boats, it's funny how after yesterdays tragedy they soon found a few traffickers to arrest but havent before,

Is it illegal in france to put to sea in an inflatable boat ?

 

[7610 super q]

If the French don't want them, why are they allowed to enter France / Europe in the first place ?

 

[Exfarmer]

Yes I would think it has got worse since the bitter boys moved there but its never that bad is it

Henrarar, I never realised, did not have an inkling of how harsh life is in some countries, until I travelled. Even then I had to go another step to see the areas the tourists never normally see.
Those women cleaning the hotel rooms who live with their families in a single room shack round the back with their families, working for pence cleaning the sh!t left by the tourists, for pence. Scavenging the waste bins for scraps left by the richer tourists.
These people are not stupid, they have phones they can see the youtube life styles but unfortunately they think this is the way life is over here. They see wealthy tourists even Exfarmer who made his fortune milking cows, if a cow keeper can afford that lifestyle then I can do likewise , if only I can get to this land of milk and honey

 

[robs1]

Is it illegal in france to put to sea in an inflatable boat ?

Not sure but the pictures I have seen they have been overloaded so that would be ar least, endangering life must be too so someone must wn" the boat and they arent meant for cross channel crossings etc etc, IF they wanted to stop them they would.

 

[Henarar]

Not sure but the pictures I have seen they have been overloaded so that would be ar least, endangering life must be too so someone must wn" the boat and they arent meant for cross channel crossings etc etc, IF they wanted to stop them they would.

I just wondered what law they would be breaking

 

[How much]

It has been proven that having an immigration process for any country reduces massively the illegal immigration from that country , as in if there is hope of a legal route they don't risk them selves and there cash using an illegal route.
However it would seem that the demand for legal immigration so outstrips our ability or will to issue legal status visas we would still in this situation of "mass" illegal immigration even if we had a coherent policy on allowing 1000's in from any one country per year as the odds of a successful visa would be pretty small

I don't think we can be in any doubt that there is very little "real asylum" the vast majority are economic migrants who claim , persecution to strengthen there right to remain that is the reason they arrive here without any id so could not be returned as we cant state where they are to return to even if we had an agreement with that country to do so , which in many cases we don't have anyway , if they had genuine provable claim to asylum there would be no need to hide there real identity.

As it is we are in situation when we need immigration as we have jobs to fill of all types , as I understand it asylum and illegal immigration seekers cant legally work so end up in the black economy paying no tax and giving no benefit to our country except perhaps draining resources , that seem mad why not just offer work visa's with no right to bring in any other family member's and if they are not working and have not done so and paid tax for 1 year they have to right to stay. And that status cannot be offered to people who cannot prove there country of origin.
This has a risk that it drives down low skilled labor rates that is real risk and would not be popular with electorate
as the flow of migrants may never stop !

But other than having a 100% capture and offshore processing of migrants that takes many months to do to stifle the desire the flow will keep coming maybe 100's of thousands per year !!!

 

[The Seeker]

Some tough decisions should be made but no one can make a decision anymore ( in case the bbc ask them why ) so that’s f**ked . uk has open boarders now

 

[Grassman]

I struggle to understand the people smuggler bit. Apparently these desperate people pay thousands per person to get put in a rubber dingy and given a push into the sea aimed at the uk.
If these people can afford this money why don't they just get a flight to Heathrow from somewhere outside the uk? Surely cheaper and easier. Or is there some mechanism that prevents them buying plane tickets?

 

[Lowland1]

I struggle to understand the people smuggler bit. Apparently these desperate people pay thousands per person to get put in a rubber dingy and given a push into the sea aimed at the uk.
If these people can afford this money why don't they just get a flight to Heathrow from somewhere outside the uk? Surely cheaper and easier. Or is there some mechanism that prevents them buying plane tickets?

You cannot get on an International flight without a valid passport and more importantly a valid visa. Airlines are fined for bringing people into countries without valid documentation. Getting a visa to the UK is actually very difficult from poorer countries.

 

[Hindsight]

You cannot get on an International flight without a valid passport and more importantly a valid visa. Airlines are fined for bringing people into countries without valid documentation. Getting a visa to the UK is actually very difficult from poorer countries.

Something we Brits with our Blue passport and Sterling fail to appreciate as we can travel the the world as tourists. There by the grace of God go I (anyones God by the way)

 

[The Seeker]

I struggle to understand the people smuggler bit. Apparently these desperate people pay thousands per person to get put in a rubber dingy and given a push into the sea aimed at the uk.
If these people can afford this money why don't they just get a flight to Heathrow from somewhere outside the uk? Surely cheaper and easier. Or is there some mechanism that prevents them buying plane tickets?

Yes this did occour to me the other day, if the migrants a so badly off how do they afford the 1000’s for the trip / do t shoot me down I’m not a smug uk citizen hating on Jonny foreigner I just want to understand how this is working and why after passing several country’s the uk is the one to go for ?

 

[bobk]

The vast majority of migrants have no particular interest in going to the UK. But the one that do, just give them a ferry ticket to Dover, this would quickly put the traffickers out of business, save lives and the taxpayer millions. But the UK would then have to have a quick and efficient way of processing the ones who do arrive .

Maybe Macron could do that ?

 

[br jones]

can the british immigration officers got to the french beaches ,and stop the dingys ?

 

[Grassman]

can the british immigration officers got to the french beaches ,and stop the dingys ?

I dont actually think immigration offices overseas would work. The migrants know that once they are on UK soil then the chance of being deported is very small. I guess there is plenty of advice on how to answer the questions from immigration officers. And then an appeals process.

 

[Oldmacdonald]

They could apply for asylum from france, perhaps they know they arent eligible

 

[Oldmacdonald]

I'm sure a lot of you already know that the UKrecently made it ridiculously harder to remove migrants from the uk and return them back to the first safe country they were proven to enter.
How? By leaving the EU and the Dublin III agreement.

 

[br jones]

I dont actually think immigration offices overseas would work. The migrants know that once they are on UK soil then the chance of being deported is very small. I guess there is plenty of advice on how to answer the questions from immigration officers. And then an appeals process.

one would of thought the french authorities could maybe do something ,or am i being silly