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<blockquote data-quote="egbert" data-source="post: 7499793" data-attributes="member: 9965"><p>Are you sure they were travellers?</p><p></p><p>I'm really sorry for former generations, many of whom worked hard, and apart from an alleged spot of pilfering, were generally able to live along side everyone else.</p><p></p><p>Somehow, this has morphed into a situation where the activities of large numbers of ....well, how do you identify them?...live outside the law of the land.</p><p>One semi-settled local family I recall from my childhood worked at an honest trade, and earned their money.</p><p>I notice 2-3 with the same family name, and living close by, were before the beak for a big list of thieving from farms.</p><p>It wasn't the first offence, and is clearly how that arm of the tribe now live.</p><p></p><p>I would guess that part of the problem has been tolerance in the first instance. </p><p>The minute theirs any kind of light touch because of 'ethnicity' claims, the door is open. It simply promotes a lawless culture.</p><p>Marrying young and having early and large families hardly helps, if reports are to be believed.</p><p>Ducking, then dropping out of school as a culture is clearly harmful. </p><p></p><p>I forget the chain of events which led to many buying land and developing it barely legally, but that too cause friction and animosity.</p><p>I've struggled with a planning matter at some cost, whilst driving past a 'village' of little houses which has appeared over a few years on a bit of land nearby.</p><p>I try to stay above bad feelings towards them, but it is clearly a double standard. </p><p></p><p>I would advocate their being treated the same as everyone else. </p><p>And if the invasion of private property becomes a crime, it does so for them and everyone else.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="egbert, post: 7499793, member: 9965"] Are you sure they were travellers? I'm really sorry for former generations, many of whom worked hard, and apart from an alleged spot of pilfering, were generally able to live along side everyone else. Somehow, this has morphed into a situation where the activities of large numbers of ....well, how do you identify them?...live outside the law of the land. One semi-settled local family I recall from my childhood worked at an honest trade, and earned their money. I notice 2-3 with the same family name, and living close by, were before the beak for a big list of thieving from farms. It wasn't the first offence, and is clearly how that arm of the tribe now live. I would guess that part of the problem has been tolerance in the first instance. The minute theirs any kind of light touch because of 'ethnicity' claims, the door is open. It simply promotes a lawless culture. Marrying young and having early and large families hardly helps, if reports are to be believed. Ducking, then dropping out of school as a culture is clearly harmful. I forget the chain of events which led to many buying land and developing it barely legally, but that too cause friction and animosity. I've struggled with a planning matter at some cost, whilst driving past a 'village' of little houses which has appeared over a few years on a bit of land nearby. I try to stay above bad feelings towards them, but it is clearly a double standard. I would advocate their being treated the same as everyone else. And if the invasion of private property becomes a crime, it does so for them and everyone else. [/QUOTE]
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