Keeping the tractor running after nuclear war

[powerfarmer]

A late good friend of mine who lived alone was quite convinced that there would be a world war 3 of some sort and often mentioned that he had made provision to keep his tractors (Classic era machines) and machinery going.

Anyway after he died suddenly a few years ago his family were amazed to find a substantial larder of long life and canned food, pallets of coal, thousands of gallons of diesel and kerosene, barrels of lube oil, and enough brand new Massey Ferguson spare parts to run a garage.
It really was stunning.

 

[Pilgrimmick]

The Americans did come up with Atomic Annie a Nuclear Cannon.I would think this idea soon went out of fashion along with the hand grenade idea....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Atomic_Demolition_Munition
Had personal dealings with these. Not as rare as people were led to believe.

 

[manhill]

A late good friend of mine who lived alone was quite convinced that there would be a world war 3 of some sort and often mentioned that he had made provision to keep his tractors (Classic era machines) and machinery going.

Anyway after he died suddenly a few years ago his family were amazed to find a substantial larder of long life and canned food, pallets of coal, thousands of gallons of diesel and kerosene, barrels of lube oil, and enough brand new Massey Ferguson spare parts to run a garage.
It really was stunning.

I think the Mormons stock up for emergencies. Makes a lot of sense these days to keep some reserves unless you trust supermarkets to look after you. Discipline is required so you don't gobble up the nice things first.

 

[jimcooke770]

Shouldn't you all be " outstanding in your fields " rather than posting this rubbish ?
He says , posting rubbish .

 

[oil barron]

Anyone know the effect of a solar flare on our tractors and how we can protect against it? GPS would be down - anything else?

 

[holywell farmer]

Are you smoking crack

Blimey and I thought I started some ridiculous threads in my time,,,,,,,,,,

 

[holywell farmer]

View attachment 765896 To late it’s already starting. This is over my head at the moment

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The end is nye

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

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Anyone know the effect of a solar flare on our tractors and how we can protect against it? GPS would be down - anything else?

Let me answer that by asking, how many cars and trucks and busses were knocked off by the last one. Answer: none.

What do get affected are national power grids, especially long distance HV transmission lines. The most famous was probably the Hydro-Quebec outage following solar storms in ‘89. The last ‘big’ flare in 2017 barely passed without notice.

You need to find a new hobby!

 

[oil barron]

Let me answer that by asking, how many cars and trucks and busses were knocked off by the last one. Answer: none.

What do get affected are national power grids, especially long distance HV transmission lines. The most famous was probably the Hydro-Quebec outage following solar storms in ‘89. The last ‘big’ flare in 2017 barely passed without notice.

You need to find a new hobby!

Probably a good reason not to go all electric transportation then?

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Probably a good reason not to go all electric transportation then?

Actually counter-intuitively mass electric vehicle transport could be part of the solution, in the case of a major outage: VTG (Vehicle to Grid).

However network ops around the world generally are far more prepared, and wise to the the risks associated with solar storms, flares, winds, coronal ejections and general disruptions to the magnetosphere, since Hydro-Quebec ‘89. It became a bit of a case study for electrical engineers.

 

[oil barron]

Actually counter-intuitively mass electric vehicle transport could be part of the solution, in the case of a major outage: VTG (Vehicle to Grid).

However network ops around the world generally are far more prepared, and wise to the the risks associated with solar storms, flares, winds, coronal ejections and general disruptions to the magnetosphere, since Hydro-Quebec ‘89. It became a bit of a case study for electrical engineers.

I’m not really buying the vehicle to grid thing. It would be like saying, hey let’s get rid of fuel tankers and have cars just transport the fuel. Stupid.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

I’m not really buying the vehicle to grid thing. It would be like saying, hey let’s get rid of fuel tankers and have cars just transport the fuel. Stupid.

No it’s not like that at all. Singly they’re not used for very much energy take off at all, barely a few kW if that. As such it requires many, many cars, each contributing a tiny amount, to actually work as a distributed store. It certainly not a means to move wholesale amounts of energy around the network like your tanker analogy.

Let's not pre-judge something which won’t hit the prime time until the electric vehicle fleet is significantly larger. Quite a way to go yet.

 

[oil barron]

No it’s not like that at all. Singly they’re not used for very much energy take off at all, barely a few kW if that. As such it requires many, many cars, each contributing a tiny amount, to actually work as a distributed store. It certainly not a means to move wholesale amounts of energy around the network like your tanker analogy.

Let's not pre-judge something which won’t hit the prime time until the electric vehicle fleet is significantly larger. Quite a way to go yet.

I think the step change will only happen when a city declares they are going 100% autonomous vehicles. Trying to get autonomous vehicles to mix with drivers is just too complex.

Once that happens city dwellers will not need to own a car. They just call an autonomous Uber. It will make sense for those cars to go electric as they are only doing short journeys and they would just need several charging hubs in the city. No need to have charging stations everywhere as you don’t park your car, you just get transported to your destination.

Country folks will still have combustion fuel cars and park them at large out of town lots in a park and ride fashion when they go to town.

 

[8100]

 

[8100]

Have a play with this Nuke Map. Pick the area and weapons and nuke it ...https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?

 

[Scribus]

I think the step change will only happen when a city declares they are going 100% autonomous vehicles. Trying to get autonomous vehicles to mix with drivers is just too complex.

Once that happens city dwellers will not need to own a car. They just call an autonomous Uber. It will make sense for those cars to go electric as they are only doing short journeys and they would just need several charging hubs in the city. No need to have charging stations everywhere as you don’t park your car, you just get transported to your destination.

Country folks will still have combustion fuel cars and park them at large out of town lots in a park and ride fashion when they go to town.

It's been interesting watching the AV digiheads running backwards over the last couple of years as their weird dreams of a full on autonomous vehicle future slowly disintegrated before their eyes. It wasn't that long ago that the world was going to welcome with open arms the latest toys of big tech who blithely assumed that cars were just another device that was ripe for their brand of digital magic.

Personal cars were like sooooo yesterday, instead, we'd all be happy waiting for an anonymous box (forget the sleek saloon with comfy chairs as the idea is being sold) to turn up after being summoned by some app on the mobile.

This is such an impractical proposition that it could only have been thought up by those who in live in their sweaty underpants behind a pile of empty pizza cartons. Cars are an emblem of personal freedom and convenience, trying to turn this major component of society into a taxi fleet under central control is just pie in the sky and totally illiberal, but no, 'it's the future innit' argument rang heavily in the heads of the souless nerds who can only count in ones and zeros.

Leaving aside the fact that placing our movements under the direction of the state (which in effect is what would happen) is a hugely backward step the technology simply doesn't work either. Radar was the big white hope for a while until it was asked just how strong a signal would be needed, and would it be safe? There was never a clear answer to that one, so the emphasis shifted to LIDAR, which err... doesn't work in the rain! Meanwhile, Teslas on autopilot kept crashing and often killing their occupants while a pedestrian in Arizona was knocked down and killed by a Uber under test and exceeding the local speed limit! Some of the absolute little sh!ts pushing AV's more or less claimed that she was only trailer trash so it didn't really matter, a song that was soon silenced by those with more nous.

Over the last six months or so a little reality has started creeping in with the boss of Waymo (a Google subsidiary dedicated to developing AV's) quietly pointing out that they will never be able to operate in all the conditions that humans can. This, BTW, is the Waymo which boasts of how many miles its test mules have done without a crash, neglecting to mention just where they are being tested and under what conditions. However, when venturing into populated areas they have been attacked by those who rightly ask why they should be put at risk by this beta testing.

There is plenty more to be said on the subject but I'll just point out that there are actually no autonomous vehicles operating on the roads at present, well, not in the west anyway, despite them often being described as such. Each one carries a shadow driver to make sure the computer behaves itself, which is not always the case.

 

[oil barron]

It's been interesting watching the AV digiheads running backwards over the last couple of years as their weird dreams of a full on autonomous vehicle future slowly disintegrated before their eyes. It wasn't that long ago that the world was going to welcome with open arms the latest toys of big tech who blithely assumed that cars were just another device that was ripe for their brand of digital magic.

Personal cars were like sooooo yesterday, instead, we'd all be happy waiting for an anonymous box (forget the sleek saloon with comfy chairs as the idea is being sold) to turn up after being summoned by some app on the mobile.

This is such an impractical proposition that it could only have been thought up by those who in live in their sweaty underpants behind a pile of empty pizza cartons. Cars are an emblem of personal freedom and convenience, trying to turn this major component of society into a taxi fleet under central control is just pie in the sky and totally illiberal, but no, 'it's the future innit' argument rang heavily in the heads of the souless nerds who can only count in ones and zeros.

Leaving aside the fact that placing our movements under the direction of the state (which in effect is what would happen) is a hugely backward step the technology simply doesn't work either. Radar was the big white hope for a while until it was asked just how strong a signal would be needed, and would it be safe? There was never a clear answer to that one, so the emphasis shifted to LIDAR, which err... doesn't work in the rain! Meanwhile, Teslas on autopilot kept crashing and often killing their occupants while a pedestrian in Arizona was knocked down and killed by a Uber under test and exceeding the local speed limit! Some of the absolute little sh!ts pushing AV's more or less claimed that she was only trailer trash so it didn't really matter, a song that was soon silenced by those with more nous.

Over the last six months or so a little reality has started creeping in with the boss of Waymo (a Google subsidiary dedicated to developing AV's) quietly pointing out that they will never be able to operate in all the conditions that humans can. This, BTW, is the Waymo which boasts of how many miles its test mules have done without a crash, neglecting to mention just where they are being tested and under what conditions. However, when venturing into populated areas they have been attacked by those who rightly ask why they should be put at risk by this beta testing.

There is plenty more to be said on the subject but I'll just point out that there are actually no autonomous vehicles operating on the roads at present, well, not in the west anyway, despite them often being described as such. Each one carries a shadow driver to make sure the computer behaves itself, which is not always the case.

The 4th industrial revolution is all a bit of a sharade really. There have been no significant advances mechanically. It’s all just about manuipulating computer data to tell you something that a human boots on the ground worker could have told you 20 years ago if you asked them.

However Wall Street loves it so we all have to play the game or risk being “the last horse trader in Detroit”

 

[ollie989898]

Plenty of atmospheric nuclear testing went on. In one year in the 60s I think the USA alone detonated about 150, thats enough for one every 3 or 4 days.

 

[oil barron]

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