Kiss The Ground

There is some stuff Gabe can do on his farm that I can't do on my farm because he has a f**king great big herbicide once a year called frost!

Farmers in parts of Oz also have another f**king great herbicide called dry season. I don't have that either!

But I have something they don't have - lots and lots of rain and humidity. So building C or at least C loss is not as critical for me as them. Every farm has strengths and weaknesses, I think when you start to point in the direction of understanding ecosystem function a bit better (Allan Savory big strength) then the jigsaw gets a little easier. But still agriculture has always been a damaging industry from the earth mother point of view - but we need to eat!!
 

Bury the Trash

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A tractor driver (not mine) and I talking about dust and how recent rainfall will help settle it. He said he honestly couldn’t see the discs on his carrier from tractor seat as dust was so thick. Now that situation can’t be good for
I've never seen that around here, even in dry times , but I guess we aren't out cultivating then in that extreme as 1. even more moisture eoukd be list 2. It would be too hard on machinery fuel use meral wear etc, 3. Nothing would grow in that at that time so why waste time trying to sow seed in it.

Rain comes soon enough or eventually so patience is the key, or just old fashioned not doing what one wants all the time as it's not always appropriate.
lo :LOL:
He blames travelling and eating shite food in airports and on planes I think I heard him say somewhere.
Huge irony right there.
No disrespect to him personally though .

It's just another glossy portrayal of things we can all see out and about not preached to by a foreign person or a film star/celeb but then I suppose glamour sells.

@SilliamWhale writes the best posts, well best in the sense that I at least , can relate to anyway.
.....and he does so with a Worldly perspective.
 

Blaithin

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The first half I wasn’t fond of. “It was the farmers fault”, “It is the farmers fault”, the impression that all we do is spray and plough and plough and spray. I remember one shot of minimum till drilling and while it was obviously a visual improvement over the cultivators, they still grouped it in with the Ploughing Everything to Death narrative.

Now I realize this probably wasn’t even geared towards farmers. This was a played down, simplified version, for the general public with no explanations of how or why farming got to where it is today. But I can only imagine anyone I talk to about it is going to say they quit after 10 or 15 minutes without even making it to the good stuff.

The second half? Brilliant!

This is what farmers can do. This is what farmers are doing. This is how farmers can be exponentially great.

Sadly most wont sit through condemnation to get to where they can see praise and pride in their potential and their work.

Again, geared towards the public so going on about broken water cycles and resistant weeds isn’t going to fly but the reality is there are reasons farmers do what they do. They need to know and be encouraged that, yes, you can plough that soil to help dry it out so you can actually do something with it, but if you get rid of the pan underneath it and encourage more OM within it, it can handle that water and not just be a soupy mess.Stop doing the former and learn that the latter is an option.

Because of this I don’t think Kiss the Ground is going to be a conduit to farmers. It’s not necessarily going to encourage most farmers who see it to try new techniques.

But it is nice to see celebrities promote farmers and farming for once!
 

Bury the Trash

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Sounds like poor production then.Too much time spent on negativity. That 's the Directors responsibility.

Why couldn't they play the first bit but at high speed , noted but not dwelled upon. :rolleyes:

and with regards the title , enough well off people in this part of the World population are more likely to kiss their iphone grand motor vehicle or their new gazebo barbecue area or the tickets of their Costa Spanish package holiday...

For any good that I do :unsure: I'll take a bit of praise, thankyou but pride ain't got no place around here, that just comes before a fall .
 

Clive

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
The first half I wasn’t fond of. “It was the farmers fault”, “It is the farmers fault”, the impression that all we do is spray and plough and plough and spray. I remember one shot of minimum till drilling and while it was obviously a visual improvement over the cultivators, they still grouped it in with the Ploughing Everything to Death narrative.

Now I realize this probably wasn’t even geared towards farmers. This was a played down, simplified version, for the general public with no explanations of how or why farming got to where it is today. But I can only imagine anyone I talk to about it is going to say they quit after 10 or 15 minutes without even making it to the good stuff.

The second half? Brilliant!

This is what farmers can do. This is what farmers are doing. This is how farmers can be exponentially great.

Sadly most wont sit through condemnation to get to where they can see praise and pride in their potential and their work.

Again, geared towards the public so going on about broken water cycles and resistant weeds isn’t going to fly but the reality is there are reasons farmers do what they do. They need to know and be encouraged that, yes, you can plough that soil to help dry it out so you can actually do something with it, but if you get rid of the pan underneath it and encourage more OM within it, it can handle that water and not just be a soupy mess.Stop doing the former and learn that the latter is an option.

Because of this I don’t think Kiss the Ground is going to be a conduit to farmers. It’s not necessarily going to encourage most farmers who see it to try new techniques.

But it is nice to see celebrities promote farmers and farming for once!

I didn’t feel it really blamed farmers but more just outlined just how we had got to the point we have, if anyone was blamed it was the big Ag corporations and governments that have pushed us down this road with subsidies and agenda

As I posted earlier we have to get over this idea we have never done Any wrong ........ we have and many continue to do so, sooner we accept this and become the solution the sooner we will all benefit

I never realised that Dr Friz Haber the same same that invented the process of extractiIng nitrogen from air was a Nazi that also invented the gases used in concentration camps ......... that became the technology behind various Ag Chen’s that followed, I guess it explains the German background of a lot of the worlds big Ag chem producers


and doesn’t he look, a LOT like Dr Evil / Blofeld !

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Rather enlightenIng that bit !
 
I didn’t feel it really blamed farmers but more just outlined just how we had got to the point we have, if anyone was blamed it was the big Ag corporations and governments that have pushed us down this road with subsidies and agenda

As I posted earlier we have to get over this idea we have never done Any wrong ........ we have and many continue to do so, sooner we accept this and become the solution the sooner we will all benefit

I never realised that Dr Friz Haber the same same that invented the process of extractiIng nitrogen from air was a Nazi that also invented the gases used in concentration camps ......... that became the technology behind various Ag Chen’s that followed, I guess it explains the German background of a lot of the worlds big Ag chem producers


and doesn’t he look, a LOT like Dr Evil / Blofeld !

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Rather enlightenIng that bit !

Whooa hold on there a second! This is getting ridiculous

Fritz Haber died in 1934 - everyone was a nazi in 1934 or at least riding on the crest of a wave of nationalism that Hitler promoted. Britain was even pro nazism. No one knew Hitler would turn out what he was until after - context is everything.

Read Alchemy of Air -great book
 

Clive

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Arable Farmer
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Lichfield
Whooa hold on there a second! This is getting ridiculous

Fritz Haber died in 1934 - everyone was a nazi in 1934 or at least riding on the crest of a wave of nationalism that Hitler promoted. Britain was even pro nazism. No one knew Hitler would turn out what he was until after - context is everything.

Read Alchemy of Air -great book

did he invent pesticides and synthetic N or not ? and was that technology used to kill millions of jews or not ?

or is the film lying ?
 

Dead Rabbits

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I know I saw it maybe 18 months ago, cant remember all of it. Has some legitimate points about how farmers can positively influence the environment around us.

I thought It wasn’t aimed at Farmers and that’s fine. At least it isn’t another vegan anti farming “documentary”
 
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Bushmog

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Bath
I watched it last night and thought it was really good, yes, the first part seemed to be blaming farmers but overall I felt that it gave a boost to farming, in that we can all improve what we are doing to help the planet as a whole.

Before covid, last Christmas, there seemed to be a lot of farmer bashing regarding the environment; seemingly meat was shown as bad, animals being blamed for polluting the air; cereals grown for animals being portrayed as a waste of resources; artificial N apparently poisoning the water; and ag chemicals also apparently poisoning the water - basically anything the farmers did was seen as detrimental to the environment.

On our farm we are doing more direct drilling, more cover crops, sheep grazing cover crops, adding compost, adding sewage digestate and no Glyphosate pre harvest.
Unfortunately the compost has too much plastic in it, so we've stopped it, yes it was PAS 100, the public have to do their bit with their recycling.
The complaints about the smell of the sewage digestate are huge and not spraying off a crop before harvest can lead to a few problems. The sheep get out because its temporary fencing, more slugs because of direct drilling, the list goes on!

Running my farm as a business we must prioritise making money. I only make money if the public are prepared to pay the real value for responsibly grown food. (Yes the Governments SFP makes a big difference!) Everyone needs to do their bit and that includes the public.
 

Stuart J

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Whooa hold on there a second! This is getting ridiculous

Fritz Haber died in 1934 - everyone was a nazi in 1934 or at least riding on the crest of a wave of nationalism that Hitler promoted. Britain was even pro nazism. No one knew Hitler would turn out what he was until after - context is everything.

Read Alchemy of Air -great book
did he invent pesticides and synthetic N or not ? and was that technology used to kill millions of jews or not ?

or is the film lying ?
He didn't know how it was to be used
It seems he knew how his invention was used in WW1

He was a huge supporter of the German War effort during WW1.
He was an important part of the development of chemical weapons, including poison gases, and continued to work on poison gas research after the war.

After the first successful deployment of poisoned gases in Ypres in 1915 with the result of 67'000 causulties, his wife, also a chemist, shot herself as she couldn't bear to live with what he had created.

However as a Jew, albeit latterly converted to Christianity, he definitely wasn't a Nazi. Appalled and concerned by the rise in nationalistic socialism promoted by Hitler, he left Germany in 33 eventually settling in the UK.
 

Neddy flanders

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There is some stuff Gabe can do on his farm that I can't do on my farm because he has a fudgeing great big herbicide once a year called frost!

Farmers in parts of Oz also have another fudgeing great herbicide called dry season. I don't have that either!

But I have something they don't have - lots and lots of rain and humidity. So building C or at least C loss is not as critical for me as them. Every farm has strengths and weaknesses, I think when you start to point in the direction of understanding ecosystem function a bit better (Allan Savory big strength) then the jigsaw gets a little easier. But still agriculture has always been a damaging industry from the earth mother point of view - but we need to eat!!
watched the film. good , really worth watching.
been reading Gabes videos and reading his book and as you say we could achieve most of what he does except we need glyphosate whereas he uses frost.
in that context, how damaging really is glyphosate to soil biology? i could DD, all year cover, cover crops, diversity to feed the soil with carbon, but how much of that good would i undo with one 3litre dose of glyphosate once a year??
 
watched the film. good , really worth watching.
been reading Gabes videos and reading his book and as you say we could achieve most of what he does except we need glyphosate whereas he uses frost.
in that context, how damaging really is glyphosate to soil biology? i could DD, all year cover, cover crops, diversity to feed the soil with carbon, but how much of that good would i undo with one 3litre dose of glyphosate once a year??

NOTS have Gabe Brown (as well as Allan Savory, Dr Christine Jones, Nicole Masters, Richard Perkins and others) speaking at Biofarm 2020 in November, which is an online event. You could always ask him direct?
 

Blaithin

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Can’t compare frost to glyphosate. While annuals finish their annual cycle with a hard frost, perennials and any soil critters living in those environments are adapted to frost. It doesn’t kill them, they just enter a dormant stage in their life cycle. Glyphosate can kill them, which is the end of a life cycle, not a stage in it.
 

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