Kuhn PZ-190 Drum Mower

[GOODYSMATE]

Any body run one of these mowers ? Good points ,Bad points

 

[GOODYSMATE]

Just thought i would bump this one again ,do any members run one off these drum mowers

 

[GAM]

Just thought i would bump this one again ,do any members run one off these drum mowers

I have a 170, it was our first mower, its a great bit of kit, just needs setting up right! It will cut really long hay grass without any trouble..

 

[Bald n Grumpy]

Don't know about a 190 but I run a 170 . Build quality and paint not as good as the one it replaced but most things are the same know. been reliable except for needing welding on the headstock pivot. Generally a sound cost affective bit of kit that stands what I throw at it

 

[GAM]

Don't know about a 190 but I run a 170 . Build quality and paint not as good as the one it replaced but most things are the same know. been reliable except for needing welding on the headstock pivot. Generally a sound cost affective bit of kit that stands what I throw at it

Funny you mention the Paint! we bought ours in 2015, and two years later the paint started to bubble, yet its never seen a drop of rain, and is always cleaned off after use!

 

[GOODYSMATE]

Thank you both for your reply's, i currently use a 1.65 landmec that i bought new many years ago . Only cut small area for hay but i sold my small tractor that the mower went on and it wont fit other tractor as it hits the wheel when putting it in working position and dont wont the hassle of swapping wheels around so been looking at S/H stuff but i have been offered a new 190 model which i am tempted to buy

 

[Bald n Grumpy]

Thank you both for your reply's, i currently use a 1.65 landmec that i bought new many years ago . Only cut small area for hay but i sold my small tractor that the mower went on and it wont fit other tractor as it hits the wheel when putting it in working position and dont wont the hassle of swapping wheels around so been looking at S/H stuff but i have been offered a new 190 model which i am tempted to buy

Not sure changing the mower will improve your situation, need to make sure before spending your hard earned£££££ and being in the same situation
If my memory is correct your landmec mower was made by SIP, had one the same branded westmac and only changed it as the saucer's were worn through but never touched it mechanically in the 20 + yrs we had it. I'd look at changing your wheels rather than your mower

 

[Somerset Farmer]

Any body run one of these mowers ? Good points ,Bad points

Have had one for 10 yrs cutting 50 acre yr.. Not let me down yet but headstock has needed welding where pin for breakback rod fits. Also the stop has bent up allowing the mower to swing around more than it should(before breakback rod attached) I use it on a 5455 with 68 inch wheelwidth (14.9/34 tyres)and although usable it can hit the mower cover if not properly adjusted. Makes a good level job of stubbles with all types of grass crops. Blades are unique to this model I think. Would I buy another probably but I would look at other makes as well.

 

[GOODYSMATE]

Not sure changing the mower will improve your situation, need to make sure before spending your hard earned£££££ and being in the same situation
If my memory is correct your landmec mower was made by SIP, had one the same branded westmac and only changed it as the saucer's were worn through but never touched it mechanically in the 20 + yrs we had it. I'd look at changing your wheels rather than your mower

Yes made by SIP ,never had a problem with it .I will ask again about it hitting the wheel when in working position ,i have been told its ok as the headstock makes it clear the wheel ,dont really wont to change the wheels to narrow ones then have to put originals back on ,i am trying to cut out hard work

 

[GOODYSMATE]

Have had one for 10 yrs cutting 50 acre yr.. Not let me down yet but headstock has needed welding where pin for breakback rod fits. Also the stop has bent up allowing the mower to swing around more than it should(before breakback rod attached) I use it on a 5455 with 68 inch wheelwidth (14.9/34 tyres)and although usable it can hit the mower cover if not properly adjusted. Makes a good level job of stubbles with all types of grass crops. Blades are unique to this model I think. Would I buy another probably but I would look at other makes as well.

I have been doing about 50 acres a year with my landmec ,going to be doing a bit less this year as given some off it up .I will check my wheelwidth tomorrow and tire size. Tractor it is going on is a MXM Case 120

 

[Bald n Grumpy]

Yes made by SIP ,never had a problem with it .I will ask again about it hitting the wheel when in working position ,i have been told its ok as the headstock makes it clear the wheel ,dont really wont to change the wheels to narrow ones then have to put originals back on ,i am trying to cut out hard work

Are the tyres wide or are the wheels set out wide

 

[GOODYSMATE]

Are the tyres wide or are the wheels set out wide

Not sure on the size till i go up farm in the morning but they are the standard wheels for the tractor and i would not say they are set out wide but they are about 2inches to wide for the mower i already have , i used to have to put 12/38 on a case 4240 i had because the standard 16/34 was to wide for the Landmec

 

[Martin Holden]

Gents all these 2 drum mowers were designed at a time when tractors on average were smaller HP and in wheel track/sizes. This issue has been going on for the last 25/30 years (remember 2 drum mowers hark back to the 1970’s! That is 50 years ago people! Today more are buying 2.2-2.6m disc mowers of modern design so they “fit” todays tractors.

 

[box]

Instead of buying a new mower, why don't you just alter the mounting points on the mower to push it back a bit, alternatively you could make some entensions for your arms. If you've got ball ends, you could get some of these:

 

[GOODYSMATE]

I dont have the ball-ends ,its got the quick -fit ends like you have posted .If i extend the fittings on the mower it will stick out the back more and i will need weights on the front when in transport position ,also will need a longer pto shaft

 

[box]

I'm not convinced you'd need weights on a 120hp tractor to transport a 1.65m mower and I'd be surprised if there wasn't enough length in the shaft.

If you only extend the "inner" mounting point, you probably won't need any extra length on the PTO shaft at all. It'll push that side of the mower further back from the tyre, you can then adjust your sway bars to push the mower all the way to one side to clear the width of the tyre. Moving it to one side will square the mower up again relative to the tractors forward direction, because extending only one mounting point would have made it sit slightly crooked.....if you know what I mean.

As above, you may find the PZ doesn't fit either so you may as well stick with what you've got and make it fit.

 

[Bald n Grumpy]

Didn't realise you had that amount of HP available, would be looking at a pz 210 or even something totally different like a disc mower

 

[Boohoo]

Didn't realise you had that amount of HP available, would be looking at a pz 210 or even something totally different like a disc mower

I priced a new Kuhn PZ220 last year, a 2.4m disc mower was cheaper. Can't see there being any young second hand 220s around because nobody in their right mind would buy a new one.

 

[Jasper]

We’ve got a vicon I’ve seen in the manual a offset headstock for bigger tractors

 

[Jasper]

Boohoo we mow a lot of ground that floods and it can be full of bits of wood nobody will go near it with a disc mower but if you go steady the drum mower is fine