Kyle Rittenhouse

[wanton dwarf]

The idea of the average American trying to defend himself from a tyrannical government is a lark.

What a strange thing to say when over 25 people died in riots advocated by the Democrats - who also advocated "Defund the Police".

What were people supposed to do ? Sit down and give up because some loonies said so ?

 

[Cheesehead]

I found this an interesting viewing into the American legal system and explanation but beware it does contain moments and video of the shooting

 

[ollie989898]

What a strange thing to say when over 25 people died in riots advocated by the Democrats - who also advocated "Defund the Police".

What were people supposed to do ? Sit down and give up because some loonies said so ?

Please tell us, which democrats stated the police should be defunded?

The USA spends billions on law enforcement and security services. What hope does a 17 year old with a gun have?

 

[Cheesehead]

Please tell us, which democrats stated the police should be defunded?

The USA spends billions on law enforcement and security services. What hope does a 17 year old with a gun have?

Even Democrats are now admitting 'Defund the Police' was a massive mistake

Who Really Wants to Defund the Police?

As murders surge, Democrats find a new message: Fund the police

It gets rather blurred due to how some viewed what it meant but there were a number most from city level opposed to state or federal but some including Bernie showed support for the idea like diverting money for prisons which on a whole are rather underfunded to social care.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Please tell us, which democrats stated the police should be defunded?

The USA spends billions on law enforcement and security services. What hope does a 17 year old with a gun have?

Democratic Mayors Defunded Their Police, While Spending Millions On Their Own Police Protection​

Democratic Mayors Defunded Their Police, While Spending Millions On Their Own Police Protection

Critics ask, "Why does protection for the people matter less?"

www.forbes.com

In 25 major U.S. cities across the country, officials have already cut – or have proposed cutting — funds from police budgets.

However, in as many as 20 of those same cities, mayors and other city officials enjoy the personal protection of a dedicated police security detail. In many cities, this security costs taxpayers millions of dollars per year.

We found that the defunding of police – coupled with taxpayer dollars spent on police security details protecting public officials– only occurred in cities run by Democratic mayors.

 

[Guleesh]

What hope does a 17 year old with a gun have?

What a strange question to ask in light of recent events.

 

[Exfarmer]

Actually you are speculating and the the point we are trying to make is that if you had done more reading about it you wouldn't be saying WTF...
(Other than wondering WTF Kyle's attackers were thinking)


There are so many errors/baseless speculation here I barely know where to start.
Right let's begin with your own speculation of what an SMG is: submachine guns are so named because they are a fully automatic gun firing sub-calibre ammunition compared to a regular machine gun.
Machine guns fire rifle ammunition which means submachine guns fires pistol ammunition. That is the real definition of an SMG, not whether it can fire more than one shot or not...

The weapon Rittenhouse carried can, with some massaging, be called an assault rifle but you are again wrong in assuming it's just a lengthened SMG. "Assault rifles" are incredibly accurate and they fire rifle ammunition, not pistol ammunition.

The gun was actually perfectly legal for Rittenhouse to carry on that day.

The first man (Rosenbaum) began the whole thing by, seemingly without provocation, trying to grapple Rittenhouse who started running away, Rosenbaum gave chase, a few seconds later a bystander fired into the air with a revolver which made Rittenhouse turn around. That's when he saw Rosenbaum still charging at him and so he fired.

You forgot to mention that the second man together with a group of other people had chased Rittenhouse for several blocks, and after tackling him to the ground started attacking him with kicks and a skateboard before trying to grab his gun...

Sure with hindsight everything would've changed for the better had he not been there but why pray tell do you say that he's the one who shouldn't have been there when he was the one being attacked? Surely he had the same right to be there as any of the rioters?
To be honest it's on the same level as telling a woman she shouldn't have walked outside alone...

At least 25 people were killed in the 2020 riots in the USA.

In the USA people have the right to protect their property, which happens all the time.

I suggest you go read about Joseph Stalin and President Mao - who killed 10s of millions.

Then go and read how the National Socialist Party of Germany, who based their utopia on cheap food and cheap goods (Such as VW beetles), who also went on to kill millions. I guess it's inconveniant for Left Wingers to have that "Socialist" word but you cannot hide from the Socialist policies.

Also take great note that one citizen on trial is not a Political Party organising civil unrest - aka the Democratic Party.

It is splitting hairs regarding the SMG/Assault rifle, ammunition his age , the length of barrel etc.
If he was defending his property or his family property I would understand.
The truth is he should never have been there , possibly the same applies to the victims who may well have been there to try and cool things, especially as there had been previous reports of a man with a rifle adopting a firing position.
The truth is that immature young men Kyle should have been home and the reason he was not is that politicians stirred up the rabble for their own purposes and sat back in their chairs watching as kids killed and got killed as a result

 

[Exfarmer]

Democratic Mayors Defunded Their Police, While Spending Millions On Their Own Police Protection​

Democratic Mayors Defunded Their Police, While Spending Millions On Their Own Police Protection

Critics ask, "Why does protection for the people matter less?"

www.forbes.com

In 25 major U.S. cities across the country, officials have already cut – or have proposed cutting — funds from police budgets.

However, in as many as 20 of those same cities, mayors and other city officials enjoy the personal protection of a dedicated police security detail. In many cities, this security costs taxpayers millions of dollars per year.

We found that the defunding of police – coupled with taxpayer dollars spent on police security details protecting public officials– only occurred in cities run by Democratic mayors.

Recently Biden has been pushing a $350, billion dollar package through Congress for increasing police funding across the whole country.
Guess how many Republicans voted in favour of this package

 

[mwj]

It is splitting hairs regarding the SMG/Assault rifle, ammunition his age , the length of barrel etc.
If he was defending his property or his family property I would understand.
The truth is he should never have been there , possibly the same applies to the victims who may well have been there to try and cool things, especially as there had been previous reports of a man with a rifle adopting a firing position.
The truth is that immature young men Kyle should have been home and the reason he was not is that politicians stirred up the rabble for their own purposes and sat back in their chairs watching as kids killed and got killed as a result

I believe this is close to the truth. Some on this thread will be more knowledgeable than I.

 

[Edgey22]

His father lived in the city, it was being burned to the ground by 'BLM' protesters. However in some of the evidence shown you can hear the first death, Joseph Rosenbaum shouting at black protesters shoot me 'n' word over and over. Plus he was also a convicted child rapist. All Kyle did to provoke Joseph was put out a fire that had been started in a bin.

 

[ollie989898]

Democratic Mayors Defunded Their Police, While Spending Millions On Their Own Police Protection​

Democratic Mayors Defunded Their Police, While Spending Millions On Their Own Police Protection

Critics ask, "Why does protection for the people matter less?"

www.forbes.com

In 25 major U.S. cities across the country, officials have already cut – or have proposed cutting — funds from police budgets.

However, in as many as 20 of those same cities, mayors and other city officials enjoy the personal protection of a dedicated police security detail. In many cities, this security costs taxpayers millions of dollars per year.

We found that the defunding of police – coupled with taxpayer dollars spent on police security details protecting public officials– only occurred in cities run by Democratic mayors.

Oh, so you mean some people of a democratic persuasion where chanting defund the police? Your earlier post seemed to be a blanket accusation of all democrats?

 

[wanton dwarf]

Oh, so you mean some people of a democratic persuasion where chanting defund the police? Your earlier post seemed to be a blanket accusation of all democrats?

A new Precedent ?

So before we can use Political Party names in any sense or form we ALL have to ensure that everyone in that political party acts in a certain way.

Better create a clean sheet of history, media and inform the world population.

Let me know when you've done it, so we can proceed.

 

[wanton dwarf]

It is splitting hairs regarding the SMG/Assault rifle, ammunition his age , the length of barrel etc.
If he was defending his property or his family property I would understand.
The truth is he should never have been there , possibly the same applies to the victims who may well have been there to try and cool things, especially as there had been previous reports of a man with a rifle adopting a firing position.
The truth is that immature young men Kyle should have been home and the reason he was not is that politicians stirred up the rabble for their own purposes and sat back in their chairs watching as kids killed and got killed as a result

We've already been over this.

You are incorrect in every sense possible - as proved by a court of law. Your opinion matters as much as mine - which is to say it is irrelevant.

But you won't admit Left Wing politics caused 25 deaths and god knows how much damage to property.

The truth is 25 people would be alive today if Left Wing idiots didn't riot. Your willingness to deflect the results of Left Wing political ambitions is silly - indeed your whole argument talking down another culture, legal system and way of life is childish.

 

[Exfarmer]

We've already been over this.

You are incorrect in every sense possible - as proved by a court of law. Your opinion matters as much as mine - which is to say it is irrelevant.

But you won't admit Left Wing politics caused 25 deaths and god knows how much damage to property.

The truth is 25 people would be alive today if Left Wing idiots didn't riot. Your willingness to deflect the results of Left Wing political ambitions is silly - indeed your whole argument talking down another culture, legal system and way of life is childish.

Can you explain simple terms where I have in any way defended the rioters.
We all know that in all these demonstrations/riots there are three groups of people.
Firstly, those with a genuine greivance, they are normally but not always a a peaceful bunch.
Then there are the looters who hang on to these situations hoping to pick up some free goodies or as it should be known theft.
Lastly are the political groups who seize any chance for trouble, even to the extent of hanging on to causes diametrically opposed to anything they stand for, just for anarchic reasons.
Sadly a lot of kids get caught up in the excitement, it has ever been thus .
My beef is not with these kids, it is those who know better on all sides of the equation , left or right who hope to make political capital out of the events, with absolutely no regard to the consequences

 

[wanton dwarf]

Can you explain simple terms where I have in any way defended the rioters.

By a complete lack of denial and placing responsibility totally on the 17 year old child - your words.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Can you explain simple terms where I have in any way defended the rioters.
We all know that in all these demonstrations/riots there are three groups of people.
Firstly, those with a genuine greivance, they are normally but not always a a peaceful bunch.
Then there are the looters who hang on to these situations hoping to pick up some free goodies or as it should be known theft.
Lastly are the political groups who seize any chance for trouble, even to the extent of hanging on to causes diametrically opposed to anything they stand for, just for anarchic reasons.
Sadly a lot of kids get caught up in the excitement, it has ever been thus .
My beef is not with these kids, it is those who know better on all sides of the equation , left or right who hope to make political capital out of the events, with absolutely no regard to the consequences

Because you keep focusing on one person.

25 people died, probably a lot of people have been injured, property destroyed and lives ruined.

And for what ? Nothing good has come out of it, in fact even the politics is cr@p.

 

[DairyGrazing]

Recently Biden has been pushing a $350, billion dollar package through Congress for increasing police funding across the whole country.
Guess how many Republicans voted in favour of this package

Spending bills will often be portrayed as in this case extra funding for the police but in reality contain a lot of unrelated spending that the opposition party is ideologically opposed to. This is done in the hope that the opposition won't oppose it for fear of the bad press.

 

[mwj]

I live within 200 miles of Rittenhouse and do not comprehend what happened. Someone in another country with a different culture has all the answers! Strange times we live in!

 

[Cheesehead]

I live within 200 miles of Rittenhouse and do not comprehend what happened. Someone in another country with a different culture has all the answers! Strange times we live in!

You aren't alone I live within 200 miles of where children were orphaned while they were in bed after their parents were stabbed to death due to a row over parking and I still can't wrap my head around it.

 

[SteveHants]

At least 25 people were killed in the 2020 riots in the USA.

In the USA people have the right to protect their property, which happens all the time.

I suggest you go read about Joseph Stalin and President Mao - who killed 10s of millions.

Then go and read how the National Socialist Party of Germany, who based their utopia on cheap food and cheap goods (Such as VW beetles), who also went on to kill millions. I guess it's inconveniant for Left Wingers to have that "Socialist" word but you cannot hide from the Socialist policies.

Also take great note that one citizen on trial is not a Political Party organising civil unrest - aka the Democratic Party.

What on earth has any of that drivel got to do with people behaving like black (Italy) or brown (Germany) shirts in the inter war period?

The vigilantes behaved exactly blackshirts, but with more guns.