Labour's Manifesto

[Danllan]

Very frightening; but not to worry, it's all been costed - by them, using their assumptions...

This document is right up there with Michael Foot's manifesto from 1983, that rather famously labelled 'The longest suicide note in history' by Labour's own Gerald Kaufman. (Despite having the common sense policy of delivering Brexit ) In fact, it goes further in some respects.

I suspect that those who will vote for JC regardless will still vote for JC regardless; but that an awful lot of people are going to turn to the LDs, the BP and even the Conservatives once the media get their teeth into this document and the Labour 'Front Bench' who'll be trying to sell it.

 

[br jones]

La la la la la la la la la la la la ,

 

[Widgetone]

Is this document the real Labour manifesto or the fake one that the Conservative misinformation team were allegedly circulating?

 

[Danllan]

Is this document the real Labour manifesto or the fake one that the Conservative misinformation team were allegedly circulating?

Astonishingly, it is even more ridiculous than what the Tories put out...

 

[JeepJeep]

Made Lilly Allen cry with joy apparently...

 

[Hindsight]

ELECTION 2019
november 21 2019, 5:00pm, the times
How Corbyn’s manifesto compares to Labour’s ‘suicide note’ of 1983
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oliver wright, policy editor

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It may be known as the “longest suicide note in history” but a reading of Labour’s 1983 manifesto today reveals how modest its plans were compared with Jeremy Corbyn’s at this election.
In fact the 1983 manifesto, The New Hope for Britain, has more in common with Boris Johnson’s proposals for Britain than those of the current Labour leader.
Michael Foot, the Labour leader from 1980 to 1983, wanted to increase the NHS budget by a modest 3 per cent a year in real terms. Mr Johnson is promising a rise of 3.4 per cent while Labour is looking at a 3.9 per cent day-to-day uplift.

Michael Foot with his wife, Jill. He led the Labour Party to one of its worst defeats of modern timesBOD DEAR/AP
Mr Foot wanted to “develop a strategy to eliminate low pay”. The chancellor Sajid Javid is pledging to increase the national minimum wage to £10.50 by 2024. Mr Corbyn will increase it to £10 per hour from day one of a Labour government.
In 1983 the Labour leader proposed beginning to develop a plan for “comprehensive care” for the under-fives. Mr Johnson is to make a universal free childcare offer the centrepiece of the Conservative manifesto next week. Labour are pledging to give all 2, 3 and 4-year-olds 30 hours of free pre-school education a week at a cost of up to £5 billion.

In fact, it would be fair to say that if Mr Foot could time travel he might look somewhat askance at the extent of both main parties largesse.
And that is before you even look at one of the central pledges of Labour’s 1983 plan, to “open immediate negotiations with our European Economic Community partners to prepare for Britain’s withdrawal from the EEC”.
As interesting are the areas where Labour in 1983 was ahead of its time with policy proposals that are now law.
It proposed bringing in a freedom of information act, data protection legislation and allowing class sizes of no more than 30 pupils. It pledged to invest in the electrification of the railway network, improve facilities for cyclists and bring in legislation to protect endangered species. It even promised to increase aid to developing countries towards the UN target of 0.7 per cent, to buy cheaper food on world markets outside the EEC and to abolish VAT on sanitary products.
One of the few policies put forward by Mr Foot that has yet to be adopted by either Labour or the Tories was his central, and hugely controversial, pledge to scrap Britain’s nuclear deterrent. However, polling shows that public opinion is moving in that direction, so even that may just be a question of time.

 

[Hindsight]

Astonishingly, it is even more ridiculous than what the Tories put out...

Well I suppose the Labour Party had to differentiate itself from New Labour aka as The Conservative and Brexit Party.

My politics is such fun to watch

ELECTION 2019
november 21 2019, 5:00pm, the times
How Corbyn’s manifesto compares to Labour’s ‘suicide note’ of 1983
new
oliver wright, policy editor

Share
Save
It may be known as the “longest suicide note in history” but a reading of Labour’s 1983 manifesto today reveals how modest its plans were compared with Jeremy Corbyn’s at this election.
In fact the 1983 manifesto, The New Hope for Britain, has more in common with Boris Johnson’s proposals for Britain than those of the current Labour leader.
Michael Foot, the Labour leader from 1980 to 1983, wanted to increase the NHS budget by a modest 3 per cent a year in real terms. Mr Johnson is promising a rise of 3.4 per cent while Labour is looking at a 3.9 per cent day-to-day uplift.

Michael Foot with his wife, Jill. He led the Labour Party to one of its worst defeats of modern timesBOD DEAR/AP
Mr Foot wanted to “develop a strategy to eliminate low pay”. The chancellor Sajid Javid is pledging to increase the national minimum wage to £10.50 by 2024. Mr Corbyn will increase it to £10 per hour from day one of a Labour government.
In 1983 the Labour leader proposed beginning to develop a plan for “comprehensive care” for the under-fives. Mr Johnson is to make a universal free childcare offer the centrepiece of the Conservative manifesto next week. Labour are pledging to give all 2, 3 and 4-year-olds 30 hours of free pre-school education a week at a cost of up to £5 billion.

In fact, it would be fair to say that if Mr Foot could time travel he might look somewhat askance at the extent of both main parties largesse.
And that is before you even look at one of the central pledges of Labour’s 1983 plan, to “open immediate negotiations with our European Economic Community partners to prepare for Britain’s withdrawal from the EEC”.
As interesting are the areas where Labour in 1983 was ahead of its time with policy proposals that are now law.
It proposed bringing in a freedom of information act, data protection legislation and allowing class sizes of no more than 30 pupils. It pledged to invest in the electrification of the railway network, improve facilities for cyclists and bring in legislation to protect endangered species. It even promised to increase aid to developing countries towards the UN target of 0.7 per cent, to buy cheaper food on world markets outside the EEC and to abolish VAT on sanitary products.
One of the few policies put forward by Mr Foot that has yet to be adopted by either Labour or the Tories was his central, and hugely controversial, pledge to scrap Britain’s nuclear deterrent. However, polling shows that public opinion is moving in that direction, so even that may just be a question of time.

 

[Agrivator]

Michael Foot, for all his faults, made one of the most sensible comment of all.

''Labour has always believed that food production and availability is too important to be left to farmers. That is why we will always support a subsidised agriculture''.

 

[JP1]

 

[lloyd]

Nothing to worry about unless you live in deep Wales
and have a posh second home in London.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I cant sleep till its over

 

[lloyd]

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You'll be alright if he rewilds Ceredigion no one will find you!

 

[Rowland]

What did someone once say “ Will the last person to leave the UK please switch the lights off “
Well the lights will already be off well before then if labour get in .

Edit it was the Sun newspaper

The Sun – at the time, the tabloid newspaper with the widest circulation in Britain – encouraged its readers to back the Conservatives, and published the election day headline, "If Kinnock wins today will the last person to leave Britain please turn out the lights."

 

[Danllan]

What did someone once say “ Will the last person to leave the UK please switch the lights off “
Well the lights will already be off well before then if labour get in .

Edit it was the Sun newspaper

The Sun – at the time, the tabloid newspaper with the widest circulation in Britain – encouraged its readers to back the Conservatives, and published the election day headline, "If Kinnock wins today will the last person to leave Britain please turn out the lights."

Where is classic journalism when you need it?

 

[Highland Mule]

Where is classic journalism when you need it?

Classic journalism died some time ago. What you’re quoting is propaganda, just like this gem from a wee while ago.

 

[Danllan]

Classic journalism died some time ago. What you’re quoting is propaganda, just like this gem from a wee while ago.

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Yeees… I did write that a wee bit tongue in cheek, but what your quotes fail to include are the facts that Boris wants it done in graduated stages and JC wants it done NOW! Fiscal shock anyone?

 

[Hindsight]

Yeees… I did write that a wee bit tongue in cheek, but what your quotes fail to include are the facts that Boris wants it done in graduated stages and JC wants it done NOW! Fiscal shock anyone?

What a politicians / lawyers response. Hey ho. The point as you know was the immediate visual impact of the headlines. But it is all great fun.

 

[Danllan]

What a politicians / lawyers response. Hey ho. The point as you know was the immediate visual impact of the headlines. But it is all great fun.

It's the correct response, because the articles - in full - make the policy difference very clear.

 

[Hindsight]

It's the correct response, because the articles - in full - make the policy difference very clear.

For those that read below the headline

The correct answer is the Daily Express chose, understandably considering their political stance, to write such inflammatory and contrasting headlines for the two politicians, for effectively the same story. But then it would defeat the intention to do otherwise. Shame on them. But hey such is life.

 

[bobk]

Very frightening; but not to worry, it's all been costed - by them, using their assumptions...

This document is right up there with Michael Foot's manifesto from 1983, that rather famously labelled 'The longest suicide note in history' by Labour's own Gerald Kaufman. (Despite having the common sense policy of delivering Brexit ) In fact, it goes further in some respects.

I suspect that those who will vote for JC regardless will still vote for JC regardless; but that an awful lot of people are going to turn to the LDs, the BP and even the Conservatives once the media get their teeth into this document and the Labour 'Front Bench' who'll be trying to sell it.

The worrying thing is some people will believe it.........