Lamb rejected by abattoir after being sold in live action?

[taff]

Did the meat inspector take photos and contact you if not ask why not ?

The OP should defo be given a copy of the kill sheet showing that the lamb had been binned.

They are sending me the kill sheet so will have a look at that and see what it says. I should be able to speak to the meat inspector who has binned it? Just curious that a tape worm problem in a lamb that's only 8 months old can be so bad that the whole thing gets binned although the lamb looked cracking

 

[livestock 1]

How does tapeworm cause it to be binned? The latest information I have heard from vets is that usually tapeworm doesn’t need to be treated as it does no harm. I know this isn’t true as we have had deaths due to tapeworm blockage in the past so unless your lamb died of this then before it was killed then im not sure what the problem is. I would investigate

 

[Jackov Altraids]

How does tapeworm cause it to be binned? The latest information I have heard from vets is that usually tapeworm doesn’t need to be treated as it does no harm. I know this isn’t true as we have had deaths due to tapeworm blockage in the past so unless your lamb died of this then before it was killed then im not sure what the problem is. I would investigate

"The adult stage of the parasite is found in the intestines of dogs while the intermediate or larval stage (the cysticercus) is found in the muscles of sheep. The intermediate stage in sheep is characterised by small cysts in the muscle tissue. When these cysts are eaten by a dog, the adult parasite develops in the dog’s intestine and the lifecycle continues (foxes can also carry T.ovis but are a poor host and are considered of minor significance in transmitting the infection).
Over time the cysts in the muscle degenerate and are no longer infective. They calcify and form a small nodule with a ‘gritty’ texture. This is the stage that is commonly known as sheep measles.
T. ovis does not present a public health risk, however these calcified cysts are unpleasant to eat and can result in carcasses being downgraded or even condemned at the abattoir."

 

[digger64]

They are sending me the kill sheet so will have a look at that and see what it says. I should be able to speak to the meat inspector who has binned it? Just curious that a tape worm problem in a lamb that's only 8 months old can be so bad that the whole thing gets binned although the lamb looked cracking

I think they have to take a photo to cover themselves , with cattle they used to contact you so you could take action on farm to avoid future problems .

 

[An Gof]

Just sell direct to the abattoir if you have finished stock. If it’s binned then it’s your problem but you won’t have to pay commission to an auctioneer who clearly doesn’t value your business.

 

[Woolless]

It strikes me there is a problem here that needs adressing here by the auctioneers who have no doubt deducted their commission from the lamb.

I had an issue last year when I sent a pen of killing ewes to the live market on one of the hottest days of the year. The day after the auction I was called by the auctioneers who said that one of my ewes had died in the pen during the night. They deducted the value of the ewe from my cheque but still charged commision for selling it! I thought that the sheep should not have been kept in market the night after the auction without food or acess to water. Makes farm assurance a total farce in my eyes? Anyway I just put up and shut up but feel I was well and truely done over. Double standards or what. Whose responsbility at the fall of the hammer?

No way should you have stood that loss.

 

[Lili]

How does tapeworm cause it to be binned? The latest information I have heard from vets is that usually tapeworm doesn’t need to be treated as it does no harm. I know this isn’t true as we have had deaths due to tapeworm blockage in the past so unless your lamb died of this then before it was killed then im not sure what the problem is. I would investigate

I think you're thinking of the ordinary gut tapeworm that you can drench for - the one where you can find the segments in the lambs muck. The condemned lamb is probably the one mentioned above where the lamb is just a host for the cysts and the main host is the dog.

 

[sodbuster]

Do you give the buyers luck money?

 

[livestock 1]

"The adult stage of the parasite is found in the intestines of dogs while the intermediate or larval stage (the cysticercus) is found in the muscles of sheep. The intermediate stage in sheep is characterised by small cysts in the muscle tissue. When these cysts are eaten by a dog, the adult parasite develops in the dog’s intestine and the lifecycle continues (foxes can also carry T.ovis but are a poor host and are considered of minor significance in transmitting the infection).
Over time the cysts in the muscle degenerate and are no longer infective. They calcify and form a small nodule with a ‘gritty’ texture. This is the stage that is commonly known as sheep measles.
T. ovis does not present a public health risk, however these calcified cysts are unpleasant to eat and can result in carcasses being downgraded or even condemned at the abattoir."

Oh it’s not what I was thinking thanks for the info

 

[livestock 1]

I think you're thinking of the ordinary gut tapeworm that you can drench for - the one where you can find the segments in the lambs muck. The condemned lamb is probably the one mentioned above where the lamb is just a host for the cysts and the main host is the dog.

Thanks for the info

 

[taff]

Do you give the buyers luck money?

No bugger that!

 

[Woolless]

IMO, this has nothing to do with FCI. It depends on what the auction company's conditions of sales are, or failing that what LAA rules say. Presumably there is no deduction at sale to insure the stock against this scenario and their rules state that if stock sold at their prime stock sale is subsequently condemned, the loss is the vendor,s.

 

[som farmer]

sold a dairy cull cow, through untested ring on the Wednesday, mart rung up on the Monday morning,cow had died on a farm the day before, sunday, so were not going to pay me for it, Apparently, all cull stock, carry a 7 day warranty, not happy. The mart would not back down, auctioneers firm, when told, paid half straight away, very fair. The following week, bought 3 dairy cows, took about a year to pay for them.
Next time something like that happens, must come with a vets letter, or pay up, But, the mart missed out, because they don't get any stock, from us ! Really stupid of them, its cost them, many £100/1000? of commission, we used to sell a lot of stock, and buy a fair few cows.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Ask for the carcass back

 

[d williams]

They are sending me the kill sheet so will have a look at that and see what it says. I should be able to speak to the meat inspector who has binned it? Just curious that a tape worm problem in a lamb that's only 8 months old can be so bad that the whole thing gets binned although the lamb looked cracking

Home bred or store lambs bought in???

 

[yellowbelly]

Presumably there is no deduction at sale to insure the stock against this scenario and their rules state that if stock sold at their prime stock sale is subsequently condemned, the loss is the vendor,s.

Traditionally cull stock was always "at buyers risk" - a few years ago, the market we mainly use, started deducting an antemortem fee for cull ewes from vendors to cover claims for condemned stock.....

It wasn't long before that charge 'snuck' into the hogg deductions. It's still not charged on lambs but I guess it's only a matter of time

Just another case where the downtrodden producer is expected to take the hit for everybody else's problems

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Taken from a conditions of sale as recommended by the LAA ltd.

Warranties under the Food Safety Act 1990

31.3(i) Vendor’s warranty
The vendor warrants that any livestock sold for slaughter (unless it is livestock not intended for human consumption) complies with all the food safety requirements set out in section 8(2) of the Act and any other applicable enactment. This warranty is a 15 day warranty.
(ii)Purchaser’s rights If the purchaser proves a breach of warranty then the vendor shall pay the purchaser agreed damages as calculated by the auctioneers whose decision shall be final and binding on the parties.
Notice of a claim must be supported by a veterinary surgeon’s certificate or by the certificate of a competent authority or qualified person: (a) confirming that in his opinion the livestock the subject of the claim was at the time of sale defective livestock and that the same was slaughtered within 5 days of the day of the sale; (b) identifying the defective livestock by ear tag and auction lot number or other means; (c) detailing the agreed damages claimed supported by documentation identifying the defective livestock as the subject of any expenses (any such documentation shall be returned to the purchaser by the auctioneers within 14 days of its submission).

In this case, the vendor was right to consider that the lamb complied with all the food safety requirements.
The purchaser does have a claim as the lamb was defective at the time of sale but as it couldn't be proved that the vendor breached the warranty, I don't see how it could be action-ed.

 

[taff]

Home bred or store lambs bought in???

Home bred sold finished at 43kg topped the market

 

[taff]

Traditionally cull stock was always "at buyers risk" - a few years ago, the market we mainly use, started deducting an antemortem fee for cull ewes from vendors to cover claims for condemned stock.....
View attachment 842797 It wasn't long before that charge 'snuck' into the hogg deductions. It's still not charged on lambs but I guess it's only a matter of time

Just another case where the downtrodden producer is expected to take the hit for everybody else's problems

Christ that's alot of deductions maybe our lot aren't so bad we just have commission and levy probably means they don't insure against this kind of thing hence not paying

 

[ffukedfarmer]

I had the same thing happen earlier this year and posted about it:

Condemned lamb comeback

I received the cheque from market yesterday and they have knocked off one lamb saying it has been condemned at slaughter. Is there anything I can do or is it just one of those things? There was me thinking that goods sold at auction were sold as seen. All of my lambs sold that day were...

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Basically not a lot you can do, but make sure you see the kill sheet to be sure that it is actually your lamb.