Lamb rejected by abattoir after being sold in live action?

[Tarw Coch]

It strikes me there is a problem here that needs adressing here by the auctioneers who have no doubt deducted their commission from the lamb.

I had an issue last year when I sent a pen of killing ewes to the live market on one of the hottest days of the year. The day after the auction I was called by the auctioneers who said that one of my ewes had died in the pen during the night. They deducted the value of the ewe from my cheque but still charged commision for selling it! I thought that the sheep should not have been kept in market the night after the auction without food or acess to water. Makes farm assurance a total farce in my eyes? Anyway I just put up and shut up but feel I was well and truely done over. Double standards or what. Whose responsbility at the fall of the hammer?

Regarding your point about farm assurance, the markets are inspected too. You would presume that would include a question about access to food and most certainly water for stock left on the premises overnight

 

[mark perego]

C-ovis you’re talking about? If so then yes seen whole carcasses binned because of it.

 

[cattleman123]

Been told times that tapeworm in lambs is not a problem..never belived a word,not many wormers treat tapeworm I always give every lamb 15ml of Benzimole a very cheap white wormer costs about £55 for 10 litres been told times I am wasting my money but done a bunch last week bought them in the next day to go to keep and saw a few tape worms..so there you go

 

[Woolless]

Ask for the carcass back

It's unfit for human consumption and is now deemed to be an animal by-product.

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Regarding your point about farm assurance, the markets are inspected too. You would presume that would include a question about access to food and most certainly water for stock left on the premises overnight

Any livestock in Hfd overnight is usually well fed ,watered and bedded down although it's not encouraged to leave stock there .

 

[Northeastfarmer]

It's unfit for human consumption and is now deemed to be an animal by-product.

well ask for it back for your dog then

 

[Woolless]

well ask for it back for your dog then

So you can infect it with tapeworms and set the whole cycle away again?? The situation is very frustrating but think about it!

 

[Northeastfarmer]

So you can infect it with tapeworms and set the whole cycle away again?? The situation is very frustrating but think about it!

I think you are missing my point....

 

[neilo]

Stock won’t have food in the market before they go to slaughter, the same as if they are in the abattoir lairage. They need to be empty for slaughter, ideally.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Stock won’t have food in the market before they go to slaughter, the same as if they are in the abattoir lairage. They need to be empty for slaughter, ideally.

They are bedded on straw and fed hayledge in woodheads lairage

 

[neilo]

Been told times that tapeworm in lambs is not a problem..never belived a word,not many wormers treat tapeworm I always give every lamb 15ml of Benzimole a very cheap white wormer costs about £55 for 10 litres been told times I am wasting my money but done a bunch last week bought them in the next day to go to keep and saw a few tape worms..so there you go

As posted earlier, the tapeworms in the sheep don’t cause this problem, it’s passed through a (different) tapeworm in dogs. The only way to kill it is to worm all dogs regularly with Drontal, don’t let any dogs (or foxes?) eat any infected carcasses, and close all footpaths to keep everyone else’s dogs off.

Maybe @Woolless can answer, but at what point does it become a condemnation issue? I often have one or two in a dw batch that have a note on it, but i’ve Never had any deductions.
I also wonder how reliable the diagnosis is too. I had 69 from one batch of 112 hoggets with it in April, but the next batch of 80 only had 2, despite having run together all their lives.

 

[neilo]

They are bedded on straw and fed hayledge in woodheads lairage

Kepak want ours fasted before they go, either here or at the collection centre overnight.

 

[yellowbelly]

Christ that's alot of deductions maybe our lot aren't so bad we just have commission and levy probably means they don't insure against this kind of thing hence not paying

Yeah, it is. That particular market would regularly have a SQQ price that is well ahead of the rest in the AHDB figures. Just proves 'all that glitters may not be gold', I suppose.

I've often wondered how many claims for condemned stock they get a week. On a throughput of, say, 3000 head/wk @10p/head deduction that would be an insurance premium of £300/wk or £15,600/year. Seems rather a lot to me.

 

[cattleman123]

Plenty of shite in there then

 

[yellowbelly]

Plenty of shite in there then

Either that or another example of somebody creaming some more money off the job.

 

[gatepost]

It is surprising what some stock are carrying, I did a live dead on cattle, watched quite a few go down the line and half of their livers had fluke in them, cattle looked well. one of my neighbours has a lot of problems with one patch of ground having lambs affected by dog worm (public access with fido).

 

[jendan]

New one for me today ,I had the local market ring up and say that a lamb I'd sold mid week had been rejected by the abattoir due to tape worm infection and I wouldn't be getting paid for it!? These weren't crap lambs they made top price although I know there are no visual signs of a tape worm infection. Is it common practice for the market not to pay you anything in this situation? Iv sold thousands of lambs dead and live and never had a whole carcass rejected or any real problem with tape worm. I also thought that in a live action this was just the risk the buyer's took?? Any thoughts?

The buyer will probably be doing that with 5 or 6 different sellers every week,if they are a large dominant buyer at the mart,effectively getting them for nothing.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

The buyer will probably be doing that with 5 or 6 different sellers every week,if they are a large dominant buyer at the mart,effectively getting them for nothing.

My thoughts entirely...hence why I said get the carcass back

 

[JSmith]

My thoughts entirely...hence why I said get the carcass back

Like on the dead when they only pay to certain weight, what happens to the excess weight?? Never come across the free meet aisle in Sainsbury’s ?

 

[S J H]

So you can infect it with tapeworms and set the whole cycle away again?? The situation is very frustrating but think about it!

If it was binned then why aren't they charging for disposal aswell?