Who is everyone?
Latest news on livestock EID proposals - is the majority of the industry "in complete agreement"?
- Thread starter JP1
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Defra, AHDB, processors and the select few they invited to their meeting.
Red tractor want it for real time recording of all medicine use.
Recording the use of bute in horses didn't stop them sticking it in some lasagne.
I don't think any of the supply changes problems they refer to were at the producers end so why do they target us?
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- Bedfordshire
Members of the nfu, according to the nfu, they're deluded.
Tag manufacturers will do very well.
don't recall being asked
a few big beef finishers will probably be in favour as they don't have to pay for the tags
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- Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
Well.
Credit where credit is due, Simon Hall just called me back.
We had a 20 minute conversation.
I came away confident that some of my points had registered (some new like the difference between passport movement stamps and changes of ownership).
Tags will be able to be manually read
They are working on design assurances with tag manufacturers about retainability
There are no plans in phase one for vet medicine records to be allied electronically but that is a future ambition
Rhian's piece in the FW has raised questions from others.
yeah, and if you push him harder, it goes ugly real quick.
He's been fixated on this garbage for a long time, and was - I believe - heavily involved in introducing double tagging for sheep. (which, as we know, has secured the very future of our industry)
Ovines will, obviously, soon have to fall in step with bovines.
It's horse manure.
We've already got a world leading system in place, so saying we need to do this for export is baloney.
Anyway, as far as bovines go...what is the export market?
Offal to china mostly isn't it?
Does that have little eid gadgets attached to each bucket full?
As you know, i've lately been handling cattle elsewhere, and there ain't an EID in sight, nor any mention of such.
(And I might say, they were evidently working to a very different set of movement restrictions etc to those we are MEANT to work to)
Sadly, resistance is futile. Too many people are living off our backs now.
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- East Sussex
I had a chat with a man in the know today. Not convinced.
But, they are aware that some farmers won’t be able to use a computer to enter births etc and are working on this. To tell you the truth this wasn’t really a concern for me so I didn’t push it further.
The chap I spoke to was absolutely convinced retention was down to tag placement and that the Eid tags will be exactly, or near enough, the same tag as standard flag tags. Eid is the best thing since sliced bread yada yada yada.
Imo we’re in trouble.
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- East Sussex
Oh, and the supply chain is screaming out for WLA. It is coming,
gone up the hill
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- Devon
Complete load of bulls**t...
EID tagging in sheep is a farce and a waste of time!
EID tags in cattle will cost producers a lot more money than current standard tags, as for manually reading/ recording numbers that wont happen for long, give it a year and we will all have to buy readers/ smartphones etc to upload the info in real time!
And are they still pushing on that movements will have to be recorded before they happen like the pig ones have to be done?
AHDB cant advertise our lamb/beef in the home market but they can soon find ways to set up rubbish like that will just increase our costs which cannot be reclaimed from the market place.
As for the NFU, they are just intent on driving smaller family farms out of business.
And all this goes on when in America they cannot even work out which state cattle come from when they enter feedlots, let alone what farms and the number of the dam they came from!
Utter farce and with prices now so low we cannot continue to carry on absorbing costs like this!
IF the NFU really want it then they can pay for a top of the range reader/ smartphone. a days training and 10 years worth of free eid tags for every dairy/suckler herd in the UK.
gone up the hill
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- Devon
Yet another load of BS that needs stopping,
WLA will stop people entering the industry and drive smaller farms/ older farmers out of the industry overnight!
NFU/ AHDB and RT are clearly now working in the intrest's of retailers only!
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- East Sussex
It’s all about making someone else’s life easier/more profitable/efficient except ours.
gone up the hill
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- Devon
They are pushing farmers to far, especially when prices are so diabolically low currently!
Complete mockery of the NFU to claim that red tape needs to be reduced and more needs to be done about farmers mental health when they push even more red tape and stress on farmers by making the industry do these things, especially when no other country has any intention of ramping up red tape/ costs like the NFU under Minette Batters are intent on doing!
She is selling her members out!
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- East Sussex
It will be fine as soon there won't be any livestock left to put tags in anyway.
I am in favour of EID in cattle as it will save a lot of time and errors. However I would completely agree that retention of Tags is a massive issue. For some reason this year I have had to replace more tags than ever before. I would say that one manufacturer I have replaced around 30%.
This is completely unacceptable and is the main issue for cattle keepers.
It should be remembered though that the extra cost of an EID tag should be less than a pound as sheep EID tags are only .75p. They are the same chips.
What is annoying is that with a small amount of computer time it should be possible to make a program using ETAS information (Ear Tag Allocation System) to find out which are the most reliable tags. I seem to remember that data protection was used to prevent this.
Cattle in Australia have EID as do many in South America now. Our new markets (when they come) will require even greater traceability than we have now, EID will be a way of proving this.
I am in favour of EID in cattle as it will save a lot of time and errors. However I would completely agree that retention of Tags is a massive issue. For some reason this year I have had to replace more tags than ever before. I would say that one manufacturer I have replaced around 30%.
This is completely unacceptable and is the main issue for cattle keepers.
It should be remembered though that the extra cost of an EID tag should be less than a pound as sheep EID tags are only .75p. They are the same chips.
What is annoying is that with a small amount of computer time it should be possible to make a program using ETAS information (Ear Tag Allocation System) to find out which are the most reliable tags. I seem to remember that data protection was used to prevent this.
Cattle in Australia have EID as do many in South America now. Our new markets (when they come) will require even greater traceability than we have now, EID will be a way of proving this.
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Other country's wont give a sh!t about EID when deciding to buy our beef or not, all they will care about is price and is it cheaper than other country's beef!
Which of course with all the extra costs of EID tagging/ RT assurance/ WLA assurance/ zero carbon rules the NFU are pushing etc etc our beef will not be competitive on the world market and we will lose a lot of sales due to these unneeded costs that no one other than the pen pushers who jobs rely on UK farming being so high cost/ drowned in red tape want!
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- Bedfordshire
When I was keen, I got my father to use EID, I thought it would be easier, but it just complicated things. The retention rates were absolutely shocking.
We used a tag from a popular manufacturer, when I complained, they blamed us not disinfecting the tags before use so infection would cause the tag to track through the ear between the veins.
The director of that company later told me that EID tags were not suitable for new born calves, because of the weight.
i don't disagree with having medical, vaccination and tb records, on bcms with the cattle movements, but they seem to have skipped this step, and over complicated it.
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- East Sussex
EID tags should not be any heavier than the present flag tags so that is a very spurious argument. The RFID chip is tiny and only weighs a fraction of a gram.
Some manufacturers may have over engineered the plastic to hold the chip but as I mentioned before a small amount of data collection on replacement tags from the ETAS site would show which tags have the best and worst retention rates.
It is highly likely that within the next few months there will be a metal tag with a chip implanted in it. Research and trials are being undertaken. If this is successful it is a game changer.
Chae1
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- Aberdeenshire
We've eid tags in everything, about 1100 cattle at moment. Have been for 12 years.
Its no drama.
Its no drama.
icanshootwell
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- Ross-on-wye
If were going to be forced down this route of eid tags in cattle, would it not make more sense to insert under the skin like in dogs and cats. I too seem to loose a lot of tags in my suckler cows, they just ware out, waste of time. The eid tag or chip should be able to last the cows life time in imo.
If worked honestly the zero carbon rules would work in some cattle farmers favour because they would be paying us for sequesting but they will only get it back on carbon tax anyway so your point stands