Latest news on livestock EID proposals - is the majority of the industry "in complete agreement"?

roscoe erf

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Livestock Farmer
They are pushing farmers to far, especially when prices are so diabolically low currently!

Complete mockery of the NFU to claim that red tape needs to be reduced and more needs to be done about farmers mental health when they push even more red tape and stress on farmers by making the industry do these things, especially when no other country has any intention of ramping up red tape/ costs like the NFU under Minette Batters are intent on doing!

She is selling her members out!
and dragging non members along
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
We've eid tags in everything, about 1100 cattle at moment. Have been for 12 years.

Its no drama.
that's a fare bit extra money for tags buying EID over standard tags, I am not sure what the difference is but if it was 50p/tag that would be an extra 550 quid you pay out on the cattle you have
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
and dragging non members along
this 100% you don't gain much by not being a member when the NFU push stuff like this you still get roped in if you like it or not
several times on here I have seen it said that non members shouldn't comment on what the NFU do but that is bull sh!t, they claim to represent farmers so if you don't like what they are doing give them hell member or not,
and I say that as an NFU member
 

milkloss

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Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
If were going to be forced down this route of eid tags in cattle, would it not make more sense to insert under the skin like in dogs and cats. I too seem to loose a lot of tags in my suckler cows, they just ware out, waste of time. The eid tag or chip should be able to last the cows life time in imo.

You’d have thought. All this chipping stunt is so unreliable they’re worried implants will get lost and end up in the food chain!
 

S J H

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
EID tags should not be any heavier than the present flag tags so that is a very spurious argument. The RFID chip is tiny and only weighs a fraction of a gram.
Some manufacturers may have over engineered the plastic to hold the chip but as I mentioned before a small amount of data collection on replacement tags from the ETAS site would show which tags have the best and worst retention rates.

It is highly likely that within the next few months there will be a metal tag with a chip implanted in it. Research and trials are being undertaken. If this is successful it is a game changer.
They were heavier and with more plastic around the collar. I'm only stating my experience, but your reply is like the one I got from the nfu.

The company wouldn't provide free replacements on the EIDs which said it all to me. Maybe we were using the wrong firm.
 

milkloss

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Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
They were heavier and with more plastic around the collar. I'm only stating my experience, but your reply is like the one I got from the nfu.

The company wouldn't provide free replacements on the EIDs which said it all to me. Maybe we were using the wrong firm.

Yes, very pushy on the tag form factor and I wasn’t convinced either.
 

mark perego

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in a river
It will be fine as soon there won't be any livestock left to put tags in anyway.

I am in favour of EID in cattle as it will save a lot of time and errors. However I would completely agree that retention of Tags is a massive issue. For some reason this year I have had to replace more tags than ever before. I would say that one manufacturer I have replaced around 30%.
This is completely unacceptable and is the main issue for cattle keepers.
It should be remembered though that the extra cost of an EID tag should be less than a pound as sheep EID tags are only .75p. They are the same chips.
What is annoying is that with a small amount of computer time it should be possible to make a program using ETAS information (Ear Tag Allocation System) to find out which are the most reliable tags. I seem to remember that data protection was used to prevent this.

Cattle in Australia have EID as do many in South America now. Our new markets (when they come) will require even greater traceability than we have now, EID will be a way of proving this.

No idea how to highlight your last paragraph
Why will they require more traceability? So they can have a good laugh at how we’re dancing to they’re tune whilst receiving sh!t prices
 

S J H

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
No idea how to highlight your last paragraph
Why will they require more traceability? So they can have a good laugh at how we’re dancing to they’re tune whilst receiving sh!t prices
I don't know how scanning a tag rather than reading and typing in gives more traceability.

@Frank-the-Wool says above that retention rates shouldn't be any different, so I don't quite understand.
 

mark perego

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in a river
I don't know how scanning a tag rather than reading and typing in gives more traceability.

@Frank-the-Wool says above that retention rates shouldn't be any different, so I don't quite understand.
It doesn’t
If someone’s hell bent on bending things they will. Look at car security somebody comes up with the best anti theft technology ever until the cleverer thief works it out. I’m sure Larry wil find a way round it.;)
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
I had a chat with a man in the know today. Not convinced.

But, they are aware that some farmers won’t be able to use a computer to enter births etc and are working on this. To tell you the truth this wasn’t really a concern for me so I didn’t push it further.

The chap I spoke to was absolutely convinced retention was down to tag placement and that the Eid tags will be exactly, or near enough, the same tag as standard flag tags. Eid is the best thing since sliced bread yada yada yada.

Imo we’re in trouble.

Oh FFS!!
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
It is highly likely that within the next few months there will be a metal tag with a chip implanted in it. Research and trials are being undertaken. If this is successful it is a game changer.

That would be the only plus about this whole silly process. I use metal on all my calves as experience over 40 years, is that they are way more reliable than plastic, especially ir using ring feeders an dthe like.
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Hang on a minute, I’m sure I read the government said they were going to hold a consultation, I’m sure I read that in this weeks farmers weekly, so either I’m mistaken in what I think I’ve read, the FW have got it wrong or it ain’t been decided yet.
they did they asked the NFU they said bring it on
 

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