Let’s just abolish the monarchy

[robs1]

There is an of quoted phrase that goes something like:
William the Conqueror split British land into three: a third he kept (the crown estate), a third, he gave to the church and a third he divided amongst his barons.
The descendents of those barons still own one fifth of the land in Britain today. The church (last time I checked) remains one of the largest landowners in the UK...….

Our farm was part of the estate of Romsey abbey and there of records of it going back to at least 100 years before 1066, Henry 8th gave it to one of jane Seymour's brother in 1536 after the dissolution

 

[stewart]

Our farm was part of the estate of Romsey abbey and there of records of it going back to at least 100 years before 1066, Henry 8th gave it to one of jane Seymour's brother in 1536 after the dissolution

The farm we had when we were farming in the UK was taken into Norman hands by William the Conqueror, it was bequeathed to the current family in the 1300s.

 

[wanton dwarf]

In @wanton dwarf s fantasy world of redistributing land (or at least subjecting those that he deems to have gained land unfairly in the past to a forced sale of their land), how far back do we go? If we use your date of 1066 how much of that land is in the same families ownership now? The church is one of the largest landowners in the UK, most of which was taken during the reformation from the church of Rome, should it now be given back to them? It would be a minefield of litigation, much better to get on with life and look to the future.

There is one consistant fact with you @ollie989898 pointed out .. you are always awkward.

So in your fantasy redistributing land taken away ends up giving that land back to another bunch of dictators who took what never belonged to them.

There's no need for me to demonstrate what you are .. because without fail you demonstrate it .. carry on the good work. God you must be really bored to come up with this rubbish.

As regards "Litigation", you might not have noticed but Parliament makes the law.

 

[wanton dwarf]

The farm we had when we were farming in the UK was taken into Norman hands by William the Conqueror, it was bequeathed to the current family in the 1300s.

QED.

Born with a silver spoon or was it gold ? My family had to earn theirs ..

 

[stewart]

There is one consistant fact with you @ollie989898 pointed out .. you are always awkward.

So in your fantasy redistributing land taken away ends up giving that land back to another bunch of dictators who took what never belonged to them.

There's no need for me to demonstrate what you are .. because without fail you demonstrate it .. carry on the good work. God you must be really bored to come up with this rubbish.

As regards "Litigation", you might not have noticed but Parliament makes the law.

I may have asked you an awkward question, one which you have yet to answer.

How do you propose to take land from those that you deem to have acquired it unfairly and who are you going to give it to?

I am not the one proposing to redistribute land, I may not like the current ownership structure but it is what we have and cannot see any reason to dramatically change it, it is altering over time anyway, my own family started as tenant farmers, with no land ownership, that has changed over the years.

Look forwards not back.

 

[stewart]

QED.

Born with a silver spoon or was it gold ? My family had to earn theirs ..

Q.E.D. The family concerned have lost a large portion of their land over time, from several 1000 acres now down to only 2,000
.

 

[wanton dwarf]

I may have asked you an awkward question, one which you have yet to answer.

How do you propose to take land from those that you deem to have acquired it unfairly and who are you going to give it to?

I am not the one proposing to redistribute land, I may not like the current ownership structure but it is what we have and cannot see any reason to dramatically change it, it is altering over time anyway, my own family started as tenant farmers, with no land ownership, that has changed over the years.

Look forwards not back.

Says one who did have a lot to lose (If I had my way).

No guilt then ? Remember when you were giving me rubbish about selling NZ lamb to the UK ? Just goes to show your level. How you can justify your life, given you used to live in the UK and farm and you had it all given to you on a plate ?

Hilarious. I can't take you seriously. I'm going to do some rewiring.

 

[stewart]

QED.

Born with a silver spoon or was it gold ? My family had to earn theirs ..

Q.E.D. The family concerned have lost a large portion of their land over time, from several 1000 acres now down to only 2,000.

 

[beefandsleep]

QED.

Born with a silver spoon or was it gold ? My family had to earn theirs ..

But you could argue that their family did earn theirs too, they fought for it or provided valuable assistance to the rulers of the day.

 

[stewart]

Says one who did have a lot to lose (If I had my way).

No guilt then ? Remember when you were giving me rubbish about selling NZ lamb to the UK ? Just goes to show your level. How you can justify your life, given you used to live in the UK and farm and you had it all given to you on a plate ?

Hilarious. I can't take you seriously. I'm going to do some rewiring.

Here we have it yet again the left wing mantra of taking from others by those too idle to work for it themselves.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Here we have it yet again the left wing mantra of taking from others by those too idle to work for it themselves.

Says the man who's ancestors were given land by the UK state .. and hates the UK.

Pathetic.

 

[wanton dwarf]

But you could argue that their family did earn theirs too, they fought for it or provided valuable assistance to the rulers of the day.

I wonder who did the dying ? Certainly not his ancestors or they would have died. The fact is, like the world wars, the rich didn't fight. They start the wars and get others to die. And worse kill their own.

And then at the end of it all they still want to be in control.

 

[beefandsleep]

I wonder who did the dying ? Certainly not his ancestors or they would have died. The fact is, like the world wars, the rich didn't fight. They start the wars and get others to die. And worse kill their own.

And then at the end of it all they still want to be in control.

Think you should study your history a little more. European nobility were a warrior class, they lived to fight and trained for it their whole lives. In the WWs the officer class lost disproportionately more than the enlisted. The British nobility lead (or led)from the front, it’s why they still exist.

 

[stewart]

Says the man who's ancestors were given land by the UK state .. and hates the UK.

Pathetic.

Wrong on both counts, My ancestors were given nothing by the UK state or any other state and I do like the UK I just choose to live elsewhere.
During lockdown we researched our family tree, both my Maternal and Paternal Great-grandparents started out in the workhouse, I would not view that as receiving land from the state.

 

[wanton dwarf]

The farm we had when we were farming in the UK was taken into Norman hands by William the Conqueror, it was bequeathed to the current family in the 1300s.

Wrong on both counts, My ancestors were given nothing by the UK state or any other state and I do like the UK I just choose to live elsewhere.
During lockdown we researched our family tree, both my Maternal and Paternal Great-grandparents started out in the workhouse, I would not view that as receiving land from the state.

Given your posts in the past about importing NZ lamb and given these two posts I don't believe a word you say.

Troll away to your hearts content .. pointless even talking to you.

 

[stewart]

Given your posts in the past about importing NZ lamb and given these two posts I don't believe a word you say.

Troll away to your hearts content .. pointless even talking to you.

Both posts from me you have quoted are accurate, the farm we had in the UK had been in the same family since the 1300s, we were mere tenants. The research I did on my own family had both sides of the family in the workhouse, please yourself whether you believe it or not.
Pointless talking to me or are you just unable to answer simple questions?

 

[Pasty]

My farm has been handed down through generations of royals. First was Forsyth the Bruce who passed it on to Grayson the Larry which didn't end well so Forsyth took it back due to a peasant revolt. After that Jim the Davidson took the crown and despite several attempts to invade by Paul O'Grady and Graham Norton, it has found it's way into my hands and I shall build a mighty army and defend these lands against woke BBC twits who aren't as good as the old dudes.

 

[jendan]

In @wanton dwarf s fantasy world of redistributing land (or at least subjecting those that he deems to have gained land unfairly in the past to a forced sale of their land), how far back do we go? If we use your date of 1066 how much of that land is in the same families ownership now? The church is one of the largest landowners in the UK, most of which was taken during the reformation from the church of Rome, should it now be given back to them? It would be a minefield of litigation, much better to get on with life and look to the future.

The Duke of Westminster(Grosvenors) still own it from 1066.

 

[stewart]

The Duke of Westminster(Grosvenors) still own it from 1066.

As many of the established landowners do. That is why I am asking the question that @wanton dwarf is either ignoring or cannot answer. How do you redistribute land that has been in a families ownership for over 900 years?
Why should the owners of today be responsible for the actions of their predecessors, particularly when 30 generations has gone by?
Jealousy is a cruel and unforgiving master!

 

[yellow belly]

Has Dyson paid UK taxes on the money used to buy land in the UK ?

Have the people who bought land in the UK paid UK taxes ?

If not then they should have to pay the same taxes as everyone else, no exceptions.

he will have paid stamp duty on the purchase
if the money used came from dividends then he will have paid company tax and higher rate tax on the dividend
as any one else does if he sold shares then he will have paid capital gains on the sale

if they employ people they pay payrole taxes