Lets stop messing about and support British Agriculture.

[Treg]

Lets stand up & support our own industry, we can all see the problems being caused in the world by bad practices of Agriculture in the wrong places , Brazil & Madagascar mainly but lots of others, to produce cheap food for us & the rest of the world . Some environmental groups are picking up on this while other groups are naively telling us to reduce meat consumption to help the planet.
Now the way I see it some of the worse groups that are anti red meat / dairy are funded by the very same companies that sell the seed & sprays to grow the most damaging crops on the planet - Soya & Palm oil. So as farmers we must stand up for our industry by not supporting Monsanto, Bayer, Unilever & any others I've missed out.
Now if Dairy, Beef & sheep farmers insist on not buying any cake /nuts / compound feed with Soya or Palm derivatives in because we feel their damaging the environment & insist on British proteins wouldn't that be positive for the industry, think of the news story British farmers ban Soya to protect the planet / British farmers tackle climate change.
Perhaps even get behind min till/ no till because they use less sprays so also decreasing support for the companies that mean to destroy us.

The Arable farmers would benefit as there would be more demand for home grown proteins .

Livestock farmers would benefit as the anti meat & dairy campaigners would no longer be able to use the destruction of the rain forest excuse to not buy our products & perhaps we be taken seriously on livestock are part of the solution not the problem.

Come on lets get off our backsides & support & save our own industry, because lets face it no one else will.

 

[Still Farming]

What would the best PR company in country charge??

 

[Treg]

BBC is free , look how other groups are using it to promote their agendas.
I know a couple of regional BBC presenters and their saying if there's a story they will show it.

 

[Still Farming]

BBC is free , look how other groups are using it to promote their agendas.
I know a couple of regional BBC presenters and their saying if there's a story they will show it.

Yes but their always ment to stay NEUTRAL?
We need one sided heavy approach, day night ,papers, press ,tv etc etc

 

[HolzKopf]

You need to argue against dirt cheap food, fast food, ready meals and supermarkets. You need to teach people to cook - and the generation or two before them that have lost or never had that skill. You need someone in a family (if there is a family) to have the time to cook proper food. You also need people to appreciate that food is more than just fuel. You need to combat the vegan lobby and the anti-dairy lobby
There are opportunities out there and many producers are taking advantage of them with quality and local production eclipsing price sensitivity - even when in reality local can mean cheaper than supermarket shelf.
It's a mammoth task. No government in recent years has had the appetite (no pun intended) to do this. Vested interests? Poverty? Poor education? Who knows.
No change will begin let alone occur until central government takes agriculture and its allied countryside benefits as seriously as many other issues that they face today. I'm sorry to say that at mainstream level, I don't see how it's going to change in the way it should or we want

HK

 

[Still Farming]

Just looks at pepsi ,coke ,bottle water all catchy promotions ??
Red lorry with lights?? Christmas is coming??
Look how that's took off ?
Come on !

 

[Bury the Trash]

BBC is free , look how other groups are using it to promote their agendas.
I know a couple of regional BBC presenters and their saying if there's a story they will show it.

The regional thing....they vary?

Spotlight imo is actually very good with their reporting of farmers and farming.

 

[Clive]

What would the best PR company in country charge??

if they had the 37 mill NFU income (57 mill the year before) to spend plus whatever the AHDB get the answer to that is .................................. everything !

I'm being factious of course, nothing like that amount is needed to be very effective

 

[Nithsdale]

We will change nothing when the President of Brazil was prepared to ignore the Amazon being on fire for 3 weeks until other countries finally pressured him to send the army in and help...

We will change nothing until China stop producing as much pollution in 1 year as the entire Industrial Revolution produced...



Yes, we need to back ourselves but the entire world needs to wake up and change its entire attitude. We are just a tiny island and our change wouldn't even be noticed. I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything, but this is bigger than just us.

 

[Treg]

Just looks at pepsi ,coke ,bottle water all catchy promotions ??
Red lorry with lights?? Christmas is coming??
Look how that's took off ?
Come on !

I know where your coming from & there does need to be better promotion of UK produce but we already pay for that so we need to push AHBD to do better, which the NFU are pushing for.
To me Mc Donalds do some of the best adverts for UK Ag.
I'm really meaning for UK farms to stand up for what's right & stop using Soya & Palm oil so that we can counter some of the bad environment claims thrown at us & also support our fellow farmers by buying British grown proteins.

 

[Clive]

We will change nothing when the President of Brazil was prepared to ignore the Amazon being on fire for 3 weeks until other countries finally pressured him to send the army in and help...

We will change nothing until China stop producing as much pollution in 1 year as the entire Industrial Revolution produced...



Yes, we need to back ourselves but the entire world needs to wake up and change its entire attitude. We are just a tiny island and our change wouldn't even be noticed. I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything, but this is bigger than just us.

actaully in one swopp we can start to change all that


The solution is imports and a simple, logical law that says NOTHING enters this country that is not subject to the same environmental, welfare and humanitarian standards as we have in the UK

It will mean no more cheep TV's and phones etc but ....................................... it HAS to happen


This is what ER should be campaigning for

 

[Treg]

We will change nothing when the President of Brazil was prepared to ignore the Amazon being on fire for 3 weeks until other countries finally pressured him to send the army in and help...

We will change nothing until China stop producing as much pollution in 1 year as the entire Industrial Revolution produced...



Yes, we need to back ourselves but the entire world needs to wake up and change its entire attitude. We are just a tiny island and our change wouldn't even be noticed. I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything, but this is bigger than just us.

Wouldn't it be brilliant if it was UK farmers woke everyone up & lead the way?

 

[delilah]

At the risk of sounding like a stuck record. my top 3 nuggets:

1) Market share is the root of all evil. Don't shop at supermarkets. If there is to be a future, it will be local.

2) The BBC aren't biased. They are, like most journalists, lazy. Give them a story and they will use it.

3) The environmental movement and UK ag are each others greatest allies. Neither can achieve its objectives without the other.

 

[Treg]

actaully in one swopp we can start to change all that


The solution is imports and a simple, logical law that says NOTHING enters this country that is not subject to the same environmental, welfare and humanitarian standards as we have in the UK

It will mean no more cheep TV's and phones etc but ....................................... it HAS to happen


This is what ER should be campaigning for

We could be the ones that lead the way, we complain about prices yet the livestock industry imports a tremendous amount of feed , how can we complain on this forum about Beef / Lamb / Milk price & complain about imports of those & yet we lower the price of your produce by importing some animal feeds....It's crazy & hypocritical.
I'm not saying I get it right & I'm mad with myself as I bought bread from local bakery this morning & got home & read the ingredients...Soya & Palm oil in it, why it does it have to be in there!?

 

[Bury the Trash]

At the risk of sounding like a stuck record. my top 3 nuggets:

1) Market share is the root of all evil. Don't shop at supermarkets. If there is to be a future, it will be local.

2) The BBC aren't biased. They are, like most journalists, lazy. Give them a story and they will use it.

3) The environmental movement and UK ag are each others greatest allies. Neither can achieve its objectives without the other.

at risk of repeating myself, in the Southwest the BBC do report well on current farming subjects ... food and enviromental .

The other day Fish and chips was the theme for pretty much the whole show, made me hungry anyway.

The agricultural shows are well shown as well, last Royal Cornwall had a good and down to earth showing of sheep shearing.

 

[Treg]

At the risk of sounding like a stuck record. my top 3 nuggets:

1) Market share is the root of all evil. Don't shop at supermarkets. If there is to be a future, it will be local.

2) The BBC aren't biased. They are, like most journalists, lazy. Give them a story and they will use it.

3) The environmental movement and UK ag are each others greatest allies. Neither can achieve its objectives without the other.

Your not sounding like a broken record, you talk a lot of sense.
I showed a family round the farm this morning, they was asking brilliant questions , they were asking about sequestering , they knew about soil fauna & bacteria & that livestock are needed to feed the soil.
They were also saying do we really need to be importing so much of our food , which is why I started this thread, the public are waking up slowly, so why as farmers are we still importing feed?
We need to keep repeating things because it is sinking in.

 

[Nithsdale]

actaully in one swopp we can start to change all that


The solution is imports and a simple, logical law that says NOTHING enters this country that is not subject to the same environmental, welfare and humanitarian standards as we have in the UK

It will mean no more cheep TV's and phones etc but ....................................... it HAS to happen


This is what ER should be campaigning for

So you believe the UK can dictate what happens in the rest of the world simply by putting restrictions on what we import??
We may be an import nation - but globally we are small fry. UK is not a world leader - look how the USA is talking that WE will have to accept THEIR food hygiene and welfare standards, not the other way round.

whats being discussed is brilliant if it could be done, but you need a global change in government mindset

 

[Treg]

at risk of repeating myself, in the Southwest the BBC do report well on current farming subjects ... food and enviromental .

The other day Fish and chips was the theme for pretty much the whole show, made me hungry anyway.

The agricultural shows are well shown as well, last Royal Cornwall had a good and down to earth showing of sheep shearing.

Yes they are very good , one of the presenters has been round the farm several times, one time one of their family said "the only thing I don't like on your farm is the electric fencing" Huh? " Well isn't it like the electric chair & will kill them if they touch it?" I had to touch the fence to prove it was ok , she'd seen the Vegan posts on internet that they were cruel !
Get people on your farms & tell them your happy to answer any questions .

 

[Treg]

So you believe the UK can dictate what happens in the rest of the world simply by putting restrictions on what we import??
We may be an import nation - but globally we are small fry. UK is not a world leader - look how the USA is talking that WE will have to accept THEIR food hygiene and welfare standards, not the other way round.

whats being discussed is brilliant if it could be done, but you need a global change in government mindset

For evil to succeed all it takes is for good men to do nothing.

 

[Roger Perry]

Sounds great, but no comment about THE most important ingredient in your plan............I refer of course to that nasty old thing........economics.
I know its' a boring subject but regardless of what you might say and do..........economics always win in the end.

So, you can rally the troops to fight your corner, great, but if you cannot produce at somewhere close to what the other guys are doing.........you have blown it.
And dragging out the old chesnut about your production methods are better than everyone else's will not wash............I realize you fill in 50 pieces of paper for everything but that does' not make it better quality...sorry..!