LIC
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lazy farmer
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- som/dor border
Not quite sure how I’m bad mouthing them??? I have laid out a series of events that are true and I have documentation to prove it. Representations where made to them. So how am I doing it behind their backs?( dictionary definition of bad mouthing)
Did not mean to offend, maybe 'criticise' may have been better choice of words. My point was more focused on weighing up your experience with them overall
Martyn
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- Location
- South west
We use a bit of LIC in our mix but don't kid yourselves that they are the only genetics that will work for you, many of the blood lines can be found in Irish, and British bulls.
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- somerset
there are plenty of other firms offering 'grazing' bulls, perhaps after 20 yrs of LIC, it is time for a change, just to see how other firms have moved forward, and to give a nudge to LIC for not looking after long term customers, who just happen to be the 'bread and butter', of their business. We don't use LIC, although we have cows from their breeding, and i do hear that NZ farmers are using more holstien, and that LIC breeding are moving towards even smaller cow base, both points make me 'ponder'.
We've used LIC for 20 odd years now, but have felt the service has slipped over the last couple of years, we use their AI services and bulls until we switched to flying and they didn't have uk born Herefords straws, they made a massive mistake on billing and am very unlikely to use them this year.
frederick
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- south west
I think if you read lazys posts he's just laid out a set of simple facts. Where he was told if I read it right LIC asked him for a B bull because they weren't sure they could supply his a choice. They then failed to supply either due to poor stock control.
I think it's the rest of us that have told him it's probably not on.
@Farmer Ed tell us a bit more about yourself. You've joined today and only posted three times all on this thread. I'd suggest you go out into the wider forum and immerse yourself in the world that is the farming forum.
FonterraFarmer
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- Waikato, New Zealand
Out of sheer curiosity, can you get proper Friesian genetics either Dutch or British with out the recessive North American "holstein" in the UK?
Do you have a vested interest in LIC?
Joined to defend them?
What they have done is wrong, regardless of the past 20 years.
- Location
- Northern Ireland
what ever happened to the “new member” banner that used to appear under the username, it took me months to lose it!
Will Blackburn
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- Cheshire
@FonterraFarmer is no newbie.
FWIW LIC dropped the ball badly, there are other reasons that means having 2 or 3 active semen accounts is a reasonable idea.
- Location
- M6 Hard shoulder
Start off giving them a round of f#c%s you'd be surprised how people listen
Headless chicken
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- West Wales
We moved companies last year for a mix of reasons although retained some with the previous company. We’d booked 100ish straws of a bull at £8 a straw with new company. They rang, apologised and said they couldn’t deliver it and we were to choose any other bull from the list regardless of cost and it would be booked at the same rate.
the order was by no means huge in the grand scheme of some orders nor the value that large but certainly excellent customer service.
the order was by no means huge in the grand scheme of some orders nor the value that large but certainly excellent customer service.
organicguy
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- North East of the south west
Yes, although the Friesian has moved on from the days of the dumpy thing with bottle teats!
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- somerset
i don't think there is much 100% fr left in the uk, if any, there was a reason the hol became the 'major' breed, over the fr, the fr simply didn't produce the required results, just as the fr replaced the s/horn. Dutch fr, i think are nearer to the mark, we have used 4 dutch fr bulls, milking hfrs from 2 of them, 1 is producing typical fr, as i remember them, short fat and dumpy, but quiet, there is no way i would use fr semen on them, tall hol would be the answer, the other 1 with hfrs calved, are nice animals, milk wise, to soon to tell, udder wise there doesn't look as if they will milk, but to early to say, the next one, we have yearlings, so time will tell, and we have new calves on the ground, by the last bull, they certainly look the part, very strong and solid, nearing the 'poor' blues conformation.
The straight answer to your question is yes, UK sires have fr bulls on offer, that were born in the 70/80's, after them you have 'modern' fr, that have been 'modified' by some hol breeding. The real question is, do we really want proper fr cows, that answer is probably no, they were bad uddered, bad tempered, and low production, which was the reason the hol took over so quickly, the solution is the HF, but more fr than hol, i use HF and FH when listing breed, but i am certain the hol breeders will breed down to a 'modern' fr, that will tick all the boxes, before the fr breeders breed up to the same animal.
First LIC catalogue I saw had Ned Boy in a pedigree.
lazy farmer
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- som/dor border
Would be interested to get @Friesianfan take on that. Been trying to reduce hol blood % as far as possible. Each yr it drops the less problems we have and the higher our solids are.
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- Northern Ireland
@FonterraFarmer is no newbie.
FWIW LIC dropped the ball badly, there are other reasons that means having 2 or 3 active semen accounts is a reasonable idea.
I think you are mixed upI was replying to a post that
replied to a new member “FarmerEd” who joined yesterday
cattow
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- Leicestershire J11 M42
My last 10 months with British Friesians