Light my shed

[ladycrofter]

Going to finally replace the clapped out lighting system in the shed - DIY job by the previous owner, shower light pulls (long rusted out) and 4' exposed florescent tubes, thank goodness none have shattered over stock or forage bales.

Existing wiring itself is sound (will obviously be replacing the shower pulls with proper sealed switches). So we have each bay 6m wide x 14m deep with two lighting positions in the roof pitch. When the tubes were working they were okay-ish for light. Bays are used for stock and machinery, and the light needs to be up to things like late-night calving problems, or OH puts spanner down then can't find it.

We looked at LED lighting years ago but it was pretty bad then, before the retina-frying COB was developed. What are people finding now? I've looked online but am afraid to buy without advice, seeing as how you can't really see the things working until you've put them up, then it's too late if you don't like them. I also don't really understand the number thing that has to do with light "colour", but I like white light better than yellow, and what the heck is "daylight"?

Thanks for advice.

 

[Pilgrimmick]

LED every time, there are so many options, very few are bad, but some are better than others, no need to go expensive, I run some cheap chinese stuff from e-bay and it is excellent. 10W floods.

 

[Luxum LED]

Color temperature is conventionally expressed in kelvin, using the symbol K, a unit of measure for absolute temperature. The Kelvin scale is an absolute thermodynamic temperature scale using as its null point absolute zero.
LED Lighting is measured in Kelvin ‘K’
Blue sky is about 10,000+ K. In the lighting industry daylight is generally viewed between 4600k – 6500K. 3100K – 4500K is cool white and between 2000K and 3000K is warm white.
You can purchase lights in any of these scales, however it depends on your requirements. For animals, they react to different scales. For example, if you are looking for increased dairy production the daylight/cool white range would be required. Poultry react differently to the lower and higher scales and so it goes on. Our customers are in many industries including agriculture with most preferring cool white the mid-range. Please look at our range https://agriculture.luxum.co.uk/. We are also on the Market Place.
Just a note on buying cheap, we have stopped stocking cheap as they simply don’t last.

 

[ladycrofter]

Thanks very much for the info. I also found a conversion chart that says that roughly halogen is 10X LED so light from a 10W LED would roughly be equivalent to 100W halogen, just trying to get a grip of the actual amount of light we would have.

I'm not sure how much light would have come from the 2 florescent tubes per bay, they are about 4 foot long. It can't have been very much.

Thanks @Luxum LED will have a look.

 

[Luxum LED]

The basic and easy guide to work out lighting is to compare Lumens per watt lm/w. For example: If a 36W t8 fluorescent tube has a lumen output of 2800 lumens then 2800 / 36 = 77.7 lm/w. If you know the lumen output of your existing lighting then you can roughly determine how much more or less lighting you need. If you were replacing the tube lighting with say one of our Led Corn Lamps at 110 lm/w then an equivalent 36W Corn Lamp would produce 3960 lumens. We stock products that produce an incredible 135 -140lm/w. There are other factors for LED such as the lighting spread, mounting height, depreciation, spectrum and pupil lumens. Generally, if you are just looking for lighting an area the lm/w is an easy guide.

 

[ladycrofter]

Update - did the two cattle bays with 2 x 20W floodlights per bay - WOW! How can so much light come out of these little 4x6" lights?!? I would have never believed it.

With an area of roughly 12m x 14m lit with 4 of these - not even pulling the power of a 100w light bulb, I'm sure this must be some of that technology the US government got from the aliens at Roswell .

Got them at Screwfix, thinking if we did one bay and didn't like them, just take the other ones back for something else. Instead, away to buy more tomorrow and do the other 3 bays.

 

[zyklon]

Have you a link on screwfix for these lights? Does it not create a lot of shadows?

 

[ladycrofter]

Have you a link on screwfix for these lights? Does it not create a lot of shadows?

https://www.screwfix.com/p/luceco-led-slim-floodlight-22w-black/8464k

Shadows, not that I notice. Obviously since they are way overhead there would be some shadow, but for background light over cattle, I wouldn't really want more light than these produce.

We had one of the original led lights with all of the separate led's on an outside wall at one time, and it was quite bad.

 

[COWCARE SYSTEMS]

We installed Luxum Saturn 150w on this project, customer was extremely satisfied, his budget was small and didn’t see the need to go for 200lux light level for enhanced performance.

 

[ladycrofter]

REVIEW OF MEMBER PRODUCT!

Just put a Luxum 30W over the workshop bay and I have to say, it is much more substantial and has a better light spread than the Screwfix/Luceco ones. Obviously brighter as it is 30W rather than 20W but I think it goes beyond that, OH said he could see working on the truck (new radiator - deep joy) with no shadow.

Don't really know anything about the technology but the Screwfix ones have a single panel in the middle, while the Luxum light has a lot of separate little light spots. The light quality is similar to yours @COWCARE SYSTEMS nice white light.

Planning to put a few more 30W Luxums up over the machinery bays and for the yard floodlights. We had a look at the cost versus what Screwfix had available in the 30W range. Having actually seen and held both brands of lights, we were much more impressed with the Luxum light, genuinely well-built heavy industrial construction, versus Screwfix being a bit lightweight plastic-y DIY. Also noticed (after the fact of course ) the Screwfix lights have a 2yr warranty, and the Luxum ones are 5yr.

I am hoping we are not back up the ladders in 2 years time for the sake of saving a few quid. Anyway if we are it won't be with more SCrewfix lights.

 

[Clive]

Going to finally replace the clapped out lighting system in the shed - DIY job by the previous owner, shower light pulls (long rusted out) and 4' exposed florescent tubes, thank goodness none have shattered over stock or forage bales.

Existing wiring itself is sound (will obviously be replacing the shower pulls with proper sealed switches). So we have each bay 6m wide x 14m deep with two lighting positions in the roof pitch. When the tubes were working they were okay-ish for light. Bays are used for stock and machinery, and the light needs to be up to things like late-night calving problems, or OH puts spanner down then can't find it.

We looked at LED lighting years ago but it was pretty bad then, before the retina-frying COB was developed. What are people finding now? I've looked online but am afraid to buy without advice, seeing as how you can't really see the things working until you've put them up, then it's too late if you don't like them. I also don't really understand the number thing that has to do with light "colour", but I like white light better than yellow, and what the heck is "daylight"?

Thanks for advice.

Luxum on the TFF Marketplace https://www.marketplace.farm/luxum-led-solutions/

 

[zyklon]

I like fluorescent 5ft lights due to the equal light distribution they give in a shed.

What is there in the led range that gives a similar output? Nothing worse than having a she’s full of shadows and black spots.

 

[Luxum LED]

REVIEW OF MEMBER PRODUCT!

Just put a Luxum 30W over the workshop bay and I have to say, it is much more substantial and has a better light spread than the Screwfix/Luceco ones. Obviously brighter as it is 30W rather than 20W but I think it goes beyond that, OH said he could see working on the truck (new radiator - deep joy) with no shadow.

Don't really know anything about the technology but the Screwfix ones have a single panel in the middle, while the Luxum light has a lot of separate little light spots. The light quality is similar to yours @COWCARE SYSTEMS nice white light.

Planning to put a few more 30W Luxums up over the machinery bays and for the yard floodlights. We had a look at the cost versus what Screwfix had available in the 30W range. Having actually seen and held both brands of lights, we were much more impressed with the Luxum light, genuinely well-built heavy industrial construction, versus Screwfix being a bit lightweight plastic-y DIY. Also noticed (after the fact of course ) the Screwfix lights have a 2yr warranty, and the Luxum ones are 5yr.

I am hoping we are not back up the ladders in 2 years time for the sake of saving a few quid. Anyway if we are it won't be with more SCrewfix lights.

Thanks to ladycroft and thanks to Clive for highlighting we are on the marketplace.
We are delighted you are happy with the lamp. There are so many types and grades of lights for sale and it is always difficult to decide the best one to buy. We buy samples and run tests to determine the best for us to sell on. As with most things it is not possible to guarantee 100% but we are always looking to improve, allowing us to supply high quality products. This also allows us to give a long warranty. Led technology is moving fast and we know there are different grades of LED chips and this is determined by the output and failure rates. Many of our lights now have the PHILIPS LUMILEDS
LED LUXEON 3030 2D chip producing up to an incredible 140 lumens per watt.
See us on the Marketplace

 

[Clive]

Thanks to ladycroft and thanks to Clive for highlighting we are on the marketplace.
We are delighted you are happy with the lamp. There are so many types and grades of lights for sale and it is always difficult to decide the best one to buy. We buy samples and run tests to determine the best for us to sell on. As with most things it is not possible to guarantee 100% but we are always looking to improve, allowing us to supply high quality products. This also allows us to give a long warranty. Led technology is moving fast and we know there are different grades of LED chips and this is determined by the output and failure rates. Many of our lights now have the PHILIPS LUMILEDS
LED LUXEON 3030 2D chip producing up to an incredible 140 lumens per watt.
See us on the Marketplace

While you are here I need some lights for a new shed (workshop and storage) it's white insulated sheet so quite bright - 4000sqft 100ft long by 40 wide about 6m to roof peak in 5x20ft bays, Have wired for 1x light per bay so what would you recommend LED wise to light it please ?

 

[Luxum LED]

I like fluorescent 5ft lights due to the equal light distribution they give in a shed.

What is there in the led range that gives a similar output? Nothing worse than having a she’s full of shadows and black spots.

There are many options to replace the fluorescent. You can add led tubes to your existing fittings or replace them with a LED batten. We have a Tri-proof coming soon http://agriculture.luxum.co.uk/Led-T8-Tube-Lights-Fluorescent-Replacement/led-tri-proof-light it will be on the marketplace. Corn lamps are a popular choice as they give 360 deg light just like a bulb. The Saturn range (as seen in Cowcare Systems images) is extremely popular for farm buildings. It usually comes down to the amount of light you require and budget.

 

[Luxum LED]

While you are here I need some lights for a new shed (workshop and storage) it's white insulated sheet so quite bright - 4000sqft 100ft long by 40 wide about 6m to roof peak in 5x20ft bays, Have wired for 1x light per bay so what would you recommend LED wise to light it please ?

We will take a look at this and get back to you as soon as.

 

[Luxum LED]

We will take a look at this and get back to you as soon as.

While you are here I need some lights for a new shed (workshop and storage) it's white insulated sheet so quite bright - 4000sqft 100ft long by 40 wide about 6m to roof peak in 5x20ft bays, Have wired for 1x light per bay so what would you recommend LED wise to light it please ?

The recommended light level for a workshop is between 250-300 lux. The best solution for a single row down the middle of your building would be 4 x 240W LuxumSaturn high bays giving an overall average lux level of around 250lux (you could reduce this to 3). You could either use LED battens over the work benches and use them as light projection away from the wall. Alternative to battens is the Tri-proof, this type of light is now taking over the batten style. We don’t have it on the Market Place yet as it coming in soon. Hope this is a help.

 

[Clive]

https://www.marketplace.farm/farm-m...s/led-lighting/luxumsaturn-200w-high-low-bay/ these ?

 

[Luxum LED]

https://www.marketplace.farm/farm-m...s/led-lighting/luxumsaturn-200w-high-low-bay/ these ?

Yes, the 240W. I also meant to say this is the most economical way for power consumption.

 

[Grouse]

Have I misunderstood or am I missing something but £331 for one light fitting plus the cost of fitting ?