lime costs

[Kevtherev]

Where’s derek?

 

[Kevtherev]

That must have been dug from the wrong heap or there are holes in their screens or something?! I've never seen anything like that except in an aggregate pile!

Bit of freeze and thaw mind and it will all be shattered to bits I suspect.

More than likely the bloke on the loading shovel hasn’t shaken his bucket between products.
V important but often overlooked in quarries.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

That must have been dug from the wrong heap or there are holes in their screens or something?! I've never seen anything like that except in an aggregate pile!

Bit of freeze and thaw mind and it will all be shattered to bits I suspect.

Eeerrrrr...... no. I think if you came back in a few centuries that might be the case, but it’s not been a good investment for now.
If what you say is true how would any limestone buildings still be standing?

 

[ollie989898]

Eeerrrrr...... no. I think if you came back in a few centuries that might be the case, but it’s not been a good investment for now.
If what you say is true how would any limestone buildings still be standing?

Those tiny chips in fields, I've often seen them, particularly in the chalk/limestone areas. Used to see them on the surface where they had been brought up by tillage. The frost would get them, they are near powder by spring and you can crush them with your little finger. It's not ideal I grant you but they will break down in time.

Limestone buildings are made in much larger lumps, and the type of limestone used can vary, too. Carboniferous limestone is hard as hades, oolitic limestone is more akin to chalk.

Look close enough and some limestone buildings are falling to bits or slowly dissolving in rain.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

No they’re not. They are flaky, but that flaky layer prevents further breakdown of the rest of it.
It probably is happening slowly, but it will take hundreds of years. There are Cotswold stone buildings all over the place that have stood in perfect condition for hundreds of years already.
Even if what you say is true, is it acceptable to buy a liming product that may or may not break down over several decades?
Not to my mind it’s not. Most customers are in a bit more of a hurry for a return on their investment.

 

[Wombat]

Quoted about £18.50 an acre delivered and spread

 

[Steevo]

Its a 120mile Haul you know !!! there is none in northumberland !!! apart from Thompsons who bring it in from outside the county
Plus its the good lime none of that sub standard stuff & it has to be Calcium end of
They do all my soil testing via there Soilquest now rebranded Rhiza brand.

Topic for separate thread possibly.....but do you find that cost effective?

I only ask because I soil sample manually every few years- £10 a sample or so (one sample per field). I don't see the benefit in variable rate etc etc. as things stand so a manual sample works for me, albeit take a day or so total to walk the fields and take the samples to the lab.

I fully accept I could be missing something though.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

You won’t miss much if you use your experience and knowledge of your farm.
It’s quite simple. Do not mix soil types and try to sample from different aspects or levels taking into account old field boundaries.

 

[Farma Parma]

Topic for separate thread possibly.....but do you find that cost effective?

I only ask because I soil sample manually every few years- £10 a sample or so (one sample per field). I don't see the benefit in variable rate etc etc. as things stand so a manual sample works for me, albeit take a day or so total to walk the fields and take the samples to the lab.

I fully accept I could be missing something though.

which part cost effective?
The whole very detailed soil scanned zones then vari rate mapped for P&K & Lime
crops are deffo more even so far yeah.
Its going where it needs too go
No Wastage or over spreading
Is it cost effective ? its no dearer than how we used to do it IE blanket applying 250/300kg of 0:24:24 or 0:20:30 on every acre & that wasnt a cheap hobby neither.
The Lime job is far more accurate with this system tho.

 

[Chae1]

Its a 120mile Haul you know !!! there is none in northumberland !!! apart from Thompsons who bring it in from outside the county
Plus its the good lime none of that sub standard stuff & it has to be Calcium end of
They do all my soil testing via there Soilquest now rebranded Rhiza brand.

Where do Thompson's import it from?

We used to get there mag lime up here. Haulage was expensive though.

 

[quattro]

which part cost effective?
The whole very detailed soil scanned zones then vari rate mapped for P&K & Lime
crops are deffo more even so far yeah.
Its going where it needs too go
No Wastage or over spreading
Is it cost effective ? its no dearer than how we used to do it IE blanket applying 250/300kg of 0:24:24 or 0:20:30 on every acre & that wasnt a cheap hobby neither.
The Lime job is far more accurate with this system tho.

I think vr saves you more with lime than pand k

 

[Farma Parma]

I think vr saves you more with lime than pand k

I think its right for both personally
More so once you have the right spreader to do all the MOP/TSP & iam into my 6th year with this system now
Cant see me ever going back to flat rates.
Ive one field a 32ac one & its got 6 diff zones mapped out by the Soil Scanner too which there is diff rates in all zones & its got sand right through too clay at the other end.
The Soil Scanner found all of this out without me telling the folks where it all was.

 

[Farma Parma]

Ive nearly got roughly the same yield across all zones now after 5 years of doing this.
Recon by year 10 it will be levelled up.
You cant change the soil type but you can treat it accordingly & thats the best i can do with it.

 

[Farma Parma]

ive no long since ordered my TSP & MOP tonnage for the year & one is less than the other but its no more than a flat rate of a mixed product.
So i agree your not saving much money but its going where it should be
Thats my experience with it all so far anyways.

 

[bobk]

ive no long since ordered my TSP & MOP tonnage for the year & one is less than the other but its no more than a flat rate of a mixed product.
So i agree your not saving much money but its going where it should be
Thats my experience with it all so far anyways.

But generally you need more of one than the other.

 

[Farma Parma]

But generally you need more of one than the other.

Yeah correct !!! not much mind but a few more tons of TSP in my case !
Saved some with Cattle muck going on two fields at a good rate so it gets neither from a bag this year.
Am Trying this P-Reserve product on the TSP & it works out about £600 cheaper as you need less tons of TSP to do same job
So the experts say..... i'll try it n see.
By heck it dont half make OSR grow when added into another product they sell i'll say that.

 

[quattro]

ive no long since ordered my TSP & MOP tonnage for the year & one is less than the other but its no more than a flat rate of a mixed product.
So i agree your not saving much money but its going where it should be
Thats my experience with it all so far anyways.

Agree I tend where it yields more it needs feeding more
i also do vra on all 3

 

[Farma Parma]

Agree I tend where it yields more it needs feeding more
i also do vra on all 3

Neighbour who does all my combining & does none of this & he has said this year & past years my crops are far more even than his, he doesn't use any bagged P&K tho whatsoever.
Uses CattleMuck & lots of HenPen. plus some fibrophos but not every year.
He does have stock in his fields where as i dont & grass rotation once in a while

 

[upnortheast]

Its a 120mile Haul you know !!! there is none in northumberland !!! apart from Thompsons who bring it in from outside the county
Plus its the good lime none of that sub standard stuff & it has to be Calcium end of
They do all my soil testing via there Soilquest now rebranded Rhiza brand.

Decent calcium lime out of Marsden quarry at South Shields.
Ross Corbett from Otterburn delivers & spreads

 

[Farma Parma]

Decent calcium lime out of Marsden quarry at South Shields.
Ross Corbett from Otterburn delivers & spreads

Ive heard diff about Lime from there soz...