Limousin Sale Carlisle

[Juggler]

Got this bull at the february sale, a good long bull with a very good top on him but maybe wouldve liked a bit more back end but should be ok as he is going onto very muscly cows. ..but going by this thread there is no need for back end!View attachment 874305View attachment 874318

Tidy bull that
Anyone know what the latest is with the Lim society after the recent shambles?

 

[puntabrava]

To be fair, there is so much money from outside farming that it becomes a hobby for some. If money is of no barrier, some will pay ANY price for the right bull.

Lot of Scottish farmers will stand and bid 8k happily for stock bulls, is the southern farmers that think £1500 is enough money, that’s why most of the cattle down here are slack arsed second raters.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Lot of Scottish farmers will stand and bid 8k happily for stock bulls, is the southern farmers that think £1500 is enough money, that’s why most of the cattle down here are slack arsed second raters.

A lot of sucklers cows round here look more like a bull than the bull...

 

[muleman]

Lot of Scottish farmers will stand and bid 8k happily for stock bulls, is the southern farmers that think £1500 is enough money, that’s why most of the cattle down here are slack arsed second raters.

Just wondering how the online bull sale will go though? Not many folk will give 8k for something just seen on a video or pics but might give 3 or 4k?

 

[Juggler]

Just wondering how the online bull sale will go though? Not many folk will give 8k for something just seen on a video or pics but might give 3 or 4k?

Think prices will reflect the lack of that sale ring 'buzz'

 

[Juggler]

Tidy bull that
Anyone know what the latest is with the Lim society after the recent shambles?

As per my earlier mention of the recent shambles, it's looking dire....

British Limousin Cattle Society – cover up or clean up?

LIMOUSIN CATTLE breeders and council members are calling for a ‘clean up’ or ‘cover up’ vote on their breed society’s actions following…

www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk

 

[muleman]

Think prices will reflect the lack of that sale ring 'buzz'

Yes, i think a lot of bulls will have changed hands on facebook, cut the auctions out, just the way of the modern world.

 

[M-J-G]

A lot of sucklers cows round here look more like a bull than the bull...

There's a lot of that going on, but it's mainly a western European thing.

I have a friend who calls these muscular types Big Man cows.
In the pig industry they'd be known as "male line" where these types are so masculine they look like a boar because they have been selected on terminal traits fur so long.
The pig producers don't run them as a commercial sow herd, they are just used to breed terminal sires as the females have small litters, can barely milk and have poor fertility they are unprofitable on any scale.

Where as the maternal line look feminine (even the males do) and they keep these as their main herd as they can milk and produce good litters, the terminal type male is used over that to produce a well reared prime animal in good numbers.

In a way it's an example of where EBVs can take you to if you have sufficient data.

 

[Ysgythan]

I don’t want a tup that looks like an ewe or an ewe that looks like a tup.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

I don’t want a tup that looks like an ewe or an ewe that looks like a tup.

What about a woman that looks like a geezer?

 

[Ysgythan]

What about a woman that looks like a geezer?

remind me not to go clubbing with you

 

[Northeastfarmer]

remind me not to go clubbing with you

I won’t be doing any clubbing for a long while so you’re safe

 

[Ysgythan]

I won’t be doing any clubbing for a long while so you’re safe

thank god for that

 

[le bon paysan]

I have 2 ped lims both very short in the leg, but good productive cows. It's only daylight underneath after all!

I keep telling people, " you can't eat daylight"

 

[M-J-G]

I keep telling people, " you can't eat daylight"

I have Dexter semen in the tank, you want it sent over to get your Lims a bit closer to the ground?

 

[Woolless]

There's a lot of that going on, but it's mainly a western European thing.

I have a friend who calls these muscular types Big Man cows.
In the pig industry they'd be known as "male line" where these types are so masculine they look like a boar because they have been selected on terminal traits fur so long.
The pig producers don't run them as a commercial sow herd, they are just used to breed terminal sires as the females have small litters, can barely milk and have poor fertility they are unprofitable on any scale.

Where as the maternal line look feminine (even the males do) and they keep these as their main herd as they can milk and produce good litters, the terminal type male is used over that to produce a well reared prime animal in good numbers.

In a way it's an example of where EBVs can take you to if you have sufficient data.

Interesting thread this, thanks for resuscitating it @muleman.

It was the earlier comment about British buyers wanting the extreme types out the fattening pen when they went on buying trips to France, that caught my eye. IIIRC, crossbred herds are a rarity in France and so the herds will tend to be bred with more of an eye on maternal functionality, as they can't rely on a good old Her x Fri cow (or whatever) to rear their calves. Pedigree Limousin herds in this country can be bred similarly to the 'male line' pigs that @M-J-G talks of, particularly where it's a rich man's hobby. The commercial man only has to run the bull and can keep a herd of rather more 'easy care' cows. @le bon paysan will know more.

 

[Hilly]

Limmy cow and calf in hexham yesterday.
Probably last seen heading up A1
Never seen an animal so wild

I had an inspection years ago, lady says ohh Angus s yea says I used to breed 3/4 Limmy s but they are mental best thing they can do with Limmy a is round them all up and send them back to France , oh she says ! Turned out she was a part time Limmy breeder , whoops a daizy ?

 

[M-J-G]

Interesting thread this, thanks for resuscitating it @muleman.

It was the earlier comment about British buyers wanting the extreme types out the fattening pen when they went on buying trips to France, that caught my eye. IIIRC, crossbred herds are a rarity in France and so the herds will tend to be bred with more of an eye on maternal functionality, as they can't rely on a good old Her x Fri cow (or whatever) to rear their calves. Pedigree Limousin herds in this country can be bred similarly to the 'male line' pigs that @M-J-G talks of, particularly where it's a rich man's hobby. The commercial man only has to run the bull and can keep a herd of rather more 'easy care' cows. @le bon paysan will know more.

There are lots of breeders with all kinds of ideas. I get concerned for the direction that they try to take their chosen breed in.

I am pretty passionate about the Simmental breed and I first choose them for their ability to grow, flesh and milk, and I never take my attention away from the fact that their strength lies in their ability as a suckler cow, their ability as a terminal sire is always 2nd place to their maternal traits, although I have found them satisfactory as a sire of fat cattle, albeit they don't generally have the shape of an extreme Lim or a Blue.

I do despair a little when I see some (mainly new) breeders jumping up and down with excitement about a thick set bull with big shoulders and a big arse saying he's comparable to a Blue or Lim or whatever.
If they want that type of beast I don't understand why they just don't go for that breed instead of trying to change one breed into another.

 

[le bon paysan]

Interesting thread this, thanks for resuscitating it @muleman.

It was the earlier comment about British buyers wanting the extreme types out the fattening pen when they went on buying trips to France, that caught my eye. IIIRC, crossbred herds are a rarity in France and so the herds will tend to be bred with more of an eye on maternal functionality, as they can't rely on a good old Her x Fri cow (or whatever) to rear their calves. Pedigree Limousin herds in this country can be bred similarly to the 'male line' pigs that @M-J-G talks of, particularly where it's a rich man's hobby. The commercial man only has to run the bull and can keep a herd of rather more 'easy care' cows. @le bon paysan will know more.

Nail on head there

 

[shearerlad]

There are lots of breeders with all kinds of ideas. I get concerned for the direction that they try to take their chosen breed in.

I am pretty passionate about the Simmental breed and I first choose them for their ability to grow, flesh and milk, and I never take my attention away from the fact that their strength lies in their ability as a suckler cow, their ability as a terminal sire is always 2nd place to their maternal traits, although I have found them satisfactory as a sire of fat cattle, albeit they don't generally have the shape of an extreme Lim or a Blue.

I do despair a little when I see some (mainly new) breeders jumping up and down with excitement about a thick set bull with big shoulders and a big arse saying he's comparable to a Blue or Lim or whatever.
If they want that type of beast I don't understand why they just don't go for that breed instead of trying to change one breed into another.

In a similar vein to folk keeping a handful of beltex ewes to produce tups for their main commercial flock of mules. Same idea, different species.