Liquid fert Advice- Liquisafe and Efficient N28

[Sincock]

Thanks Sincock. Very interesting read, and makes good sense! Last years crop of grass had bagged n on it and looked really bulky. Once mown and dried a bit it seemed to reduce volume significantly! Likely all that water coming out of it!! We’re just planning the next step with our winter wheat. It had 240kg of 27n 12s to start it off, and has also had 25L/ ha of the folex mu35 2 weeks ago. Being slow release for 4-5 weeks is it best wait until then for the next dose? Or should it go on around say 3-4 weeks to make sure it’s there and available should the crop want it? Thanks again for sharing your experiences with foliar feeds.

For cereals I would suggest tank mixing with your T1, T2 & T3 sprays which saves a pass in the field with a tractor. If you aren't spraying / dont want to tank mix / cannot tank mix with your particular chemicals then leave 4 weeks between applications. After 4 weeks you will have used 94% of the N. T1 and T2 usually drive yield and a T3 application will generally push protein.

Foliar isn't dependant on the weather so the N will be taken in regardless but with Folex mu35 beware of scorch, especially if tank mixing

 

[daveydiesel1]

Iv a cube of en28 that id sell as i over estimated how much i needed and could do with cashin it in. Unopened. Co antrim

 

[snipe]

For cereals I would suggest tank mixing with your T1, T2 & T3 sprays which saves a pass in the field with a tractor. If you aren't spraying / dont want to tank mix / cannot tank mix with your particular chemicals then leave 4 weeks between applications. After 4 weeks you will have used 94% of the N. T1 and T2 usually drive yield and a T3 application will generally push protein.

Foliar isn't dependant on the weather so the N will be taken in regardless but with Folex mu35 beware of scorch, especially if tank mixing

We have some Mz 28 and some efficient 28. I was talking to the technical team at agrovista where the Mz 28 came from and the now say 28 litres is equivalent to 40kg (thought it was 20 litres) and they recommended not to mix any fungicide as the mz28 reduces the the efficiency of the fungicide. The reason i bought it was to reduce passes. How does this compare to efficient n28

 

[cricketandcrops]

From all the work I have seen you are looking at 5:1 replacement with these foliar products, eg if putting 30 kg N on the soil need 6 kg through the leaf - so that is 20 lt/ha of our Safe N 300

 

[snipe]

From all the work I have seen you are looking at 5:1 replacement with these foliar products, eg if putting 30 kg N on the soil need 6 kg through the leaf - so that is 20 lt/ha of our Safe N 300

what do you think about mixing it with fungicides?

 

[snipe]

The plant needs sulphur so it can utilise Bagged fertiliser as I understand it. is no sulphur need when using liquid foliar N. So to compare prices liquid N is comparable with a single top 27-0-0-11rater than a 34.5 straight N product?

 

[cricketandcrops]

what do you think about mixing it with fungicides?

Physically compatible with most fungicides, not sure about competitor products

 

[cricketandcrops]

The plant needs sulphur so it can utilise Bagged fertiliser as I understand it. is no sulphur need when using liquid foliar N. So to compare prices liquid N is comparable with a single top 27-0-0-11rater than a 34.5 straight N product?

The plant needs sulphur regardless

 

[snipe]

Physically compatible with most fungicides, not sure about competitor products

Compatible as in mixes ok and does not damage the plant, or compatible as does not effect the efficiency of the fungicide. ?

 

[clemmo]

Any physical compatibility will be mixes ok only

 

[cricketandcrops]

Compatible as in mixes ok and does not damage the plant, or compatible as does not effect the efficiency of the fungicide. ?

Physically compatible in the sense they mix together

 

[APJ]

Anyone mixed this n28 with there t2 fungicide and some bittersalts or better going separately?

 

[moretimeforgolf]

Anyone mixed this n28 with there t2 fungicide and some bittersalts or better going separately?

Mixed Inatreq with efficient N28 and Magnite. Foamed a little but sprayed fine … no blocked filters or nozzles.

 

[dirty harry]

Anyone mixed this n28 with there t2 fungicide and some bittersalts or better going separately?

I’ve been chucking it all in together no problem cheers dh

 

[Adeptandy]

Anyone done tissue tests before applying ?

 

[snipe]

I put 25litres/ha on a trail area of MZ28 and you can see it has scorched the tips of the leaves.

 

[celtis man]

I doubt there is much info on many of the other foliar N products as they are all pretty new to the market. 3 / 4 years ago Efficie-N-t 28 was probably the only foliar available and in the last 12 months alone there have been at least 5 new products released.

A great question re free urea volatilisation... we know that with only 6% free urea in efficient 28 you will be applying 1.5 kgs free urea / ha This is a tiny amount over 1ha. As urea provides N as an amide (NH2) it is very easily and very quickly absorbed through the plant leaf, therefore, it will be absorbed / used before it can volatilise into the atmosphere. With Folex mu35, you will be applying 2.9kgs free urea / ha which will is still low and again likely to be used before it volatilises. That's the beauty of urea, its attached to a carbon (technically making it organic) and the N is in amide form which is literally the building blacks of protein.

Advice is always very similar but 20L / ha = 25kgs / ha = 7kgs N / ha and will replace, more or less, 40kgs N / ha from granular.
Applying more than this in a single does will see diminishing returns. The Nitrogen has a half life which means after 4 weeks you will have used 95% of the 7kgs N applied.

Foliar N is great but it needs to be used properly or you wont see the benefits / get the return on investment so whatever you are using it's worth doing your homework

I applied ef 28 on some growing cutting grass at the rate you advise as advised by our agronomist now we are wondering when we could cut as it has bulked it up ?

 

[celtis man]

Iv a cube of en28 that id sell as i over estimated how much i needed and could do with cashin it in. Unopened. Co antrim

Keep hold of it Davey as it will store for next year

 

[chipchap]

Anyone mixed this n28 with there t2 fungicide and some bittersalts or better going separately?

Yes, put on 20 litres/ha with 2 kg/ha bittersalz and 1.25 Ascra. Added starane hi load on some fields too.

finished today.

beforehand 625 kg/ha nitram and 125 kg/ha urea.

Crusoe.

 

[Farmer Fin]

Any verdict yet on whether this worked?