Farming is part of #thesolution - Series

Chris F

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delilah

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Methane.

The anti-cow brigade keep playing this as their trump card.

Some time ago there was a video put on tff (from NZ ?) which explained why it's a myth. Also there's several people on here, who clearly have a fair degree of scientific knowledge, who post in detail about why cows belching isn't destroying the planet.

Can someone with a bigger brain than I please condense this down into plain English and put it on this thread, so that it can be turned into one of these info graphics.

thanks :)
 

Henarar

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Somerset
Methane.

The anti-cow brigade keep playing this as their trump card.

Some time ago there was a video put on tff (from NZ ?) which explained why it's a myth. Also there's several people on here, who clearly have a fair degree of scientific knowledge, who post in detail about why cows belching isn't destroying the planet.

Can someone with a bigger brain than I please condense this down into plain English and put it on this thread, so that it can be turned into one of these info graphics.

thanks :)
I think it was an American video if its the one I am thinking about
 
Ah ha, a superb read for us farm ignorant townies! Stumbled upon this thread this morning and have done a bit of speed reading so may have missed some points but will return to the thread later this evening and slowly digest the debate at a more leisurely pace.

As for the cost and production of suitable banners, have you considered crowd funding?

I will have a quick look at printing a few fliers and pop them on at least five supermarket notice boards and see what happens to them.

Chris (y)
 

Chris F

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Ah ha, a superb read for us farm ignorant townies! Stumbled upon this thread this morning and have done a bit of speed reading so may have missed some points but will return to the thread later this evening and slowly digest the debate at a more leisurely pace.

As for the cost and production of suitable banners, have you considered crowd funding?

I will have a quick look at printing a few fliers and pop them on at least five supermarket notice boards and see what happens to them.

Chris (y)

Yes - we have considered crowdfunding - the problem is we are very short on time. There are only a few of us in the office full time (apart from the technical team) so struggle. It would be a great thing to do. I have bought a set for my daughters school. Its about £95 for a set of 10 4ft x 3ft banners. It would be nice to get some of the supply industry involved as well.
 

holwellcourtfarm

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Livestock Farmer
Certainly worth 10 mins of your time to read. My pet hate soya beans and there use by the new US stock-market darling "Impossible foods" in their frankinburgers.

https://lachefnet.wordpress.com/201...BB2HUz8ObfWVDBYySgIghCMWiLp9p6k2MGsy7LpK8A_Jc
A good discussion that doesn't ignore the nuances.

This is a good summary of the methane issue:

"Basically atmospheric CO2 is turned into sugar by photosynthesis. This sugar becomes plants leaves, branches, etc. Cattle eat the plants. The plants are turned into SCFA’s H2 and CH4 by bacteria and archae in the rumen. The cattle use the SCFA’s for energy and burp the (enteric) CH4. This emitted CH4 collides with hydroxyl radicals in the troposphere and is then reduced eventually back to H2O and CO2. That CO2 is then again converted to glucose via photosynthesis . The cattle eat the plants, emit the CH4, and the cyclical loop repeats itself. If the cattle don’t eat the grasses (plants), the grasses do one of three things: either die then oxidize to CO2, rot then oxidize to CH4, or burn plus emit pyrogenic forms of CH4 (as well as CO and CO2). So basically enteric CH4 is part of the respiration cycle. This form of microbial CH4 doesn’t add to the atmospheric load of CO2. It’s a lot different than thermogenic or other ancient forms of trapped methane from fossil fuels that haven’t been in the atmosphere for millions of years."
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
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A good discussion that doesn't ignore the nuances.

This is a good summary of the methane issue:

"Basically atmospheric CO2 is turned into sugar by photosynthesis. This sugar becomes plants leaves, branches, etc. Cattle eat the plants. The plants are turned into SCFA’s H2 and CH4 by bacteria and archae in the rumen. The cattle use the SCFA’s for energy and burp the (enteric) CH4. This emitted CH4 collides with hydroxyl radicals in the troposphere and is then reduced eventually back to H2O and CO2. That CO2 is then again converted to glucose via photosynthesis . The cattle eat the plants, emit the CH4, and the cyclical loop repeats itself. If the cattle don’t eat the grasses (plants), the grasses do one of three things: either die then oxidize to CO2, rot then oxidize to CH4, or burn plus emit pyrogenic forms of CH4 (as well as CO and CO2). So basically enteric CH4 is part of the respiration cycle. This form of microbial CH4 doesn’t add to the atmospheric load of CO2. It’s a lot different than thermogenic or other ancient forms of trapped methane from fossil fuels that haven’t been in the atmosphere for millions of years."
why do the powers that be not know this and why is the negative press no countered ?
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin
A good discussion that doesn't ignore the nuances.

This is a good summary of the methane issue:

"Basically atmospheric CO2 is turned into sugar by photosynthesis. This sugar becomes plants leaves, branches, etc. Cattle eat the plants. The plants are turned into SCFA’s H2 and CH4 by bacteria and archae in the rumen. The cattle use the SCFA’s for energy and burp the (enteric) CH4. This emitted CH4 collides with hydroxyl radicals in the troposphere and is then reduced eventually back to H2O and CO2. That CO2 is then again converted to glucose via photosynthesis . The cattle eat the plants, emit the CH4, and the cyclical loop repeats itself. If the cattle don’t eat the grasses (plants), the grasses do one of three things: either die then oxidize to CO2, rot then oxidize to CH4, or burn plus emit pyrogenic forms of CH4 (as well as CO and CO2). So basically enteric CH4 is part of the respiration cycle. This form of microbial CH4 doesn’t add to the atmospheric load of CO2. It’s a lot different than thermogenic or other ancient forms of trapped methane from fossil fuels that haven’t been in the atmosphere for millions of years."

Yes, it is shows clearly that grass fed ruminants are certainly not detrimental to the environment and as a whole generally beneficial. (y)
 
It should all be a matter of balance and sound knowledge; not putting all our eggs in one basket, so to speak? A great many of the Irish population used to rely upon potatoes as a staple diet, until the potatoes blight came along and we all know what happened then.

Personally, perhaps misguidedly, I believe that the massive drive for soya products is driven by worship of the almighty dollar and the bank balances of a greedy few.

Surely, as with diet, it's all down to striking that delicate balance that is required to ensure our continued existence and livestock are all part of that required balance.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

  • 0 %

    Votes: 80 42.1%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 67 35.3%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 30 15.8%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 7 3.7%

Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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