livestock producers- Red Tractor question ?

[bigw]

im not suggesting we want it - as you know I would end the entire scheme tomorrow !

im suggesting red tractor are possibly not being honest in their advertising / FAQ’s and wiki page ? if that is provably the case I will report them to the ASA

Why wait till tomorrow!!

 

[bigw]

so my Red tractor beef could have been born outside of the uk ?

this seems to directly contradict their marketing and that wiki page i posted above

@Bald Rick can you get your imported cows on RT or do you get penalised at slaughter?

 

[Clive]

Quite simple chop it up and mix it up then label it . Then source it as best suits you just retaining a portion of uk assurred product to allow you to use the label .
Same with milling wheat or compound feeds etc .
This was really easy before brexit , its how ABP etc manipulated the beef market with no trade barrier,tarriffs ,customs and free movement across borders by having processing plants in different eu countries , in theory the new " deal" still allows this ,in practise its harder .
I think the rise in most farm product prices is due to brexit , except pigs which exported alot of their processing/production capacity to the continent which means the deal has screwed them up .

so what % meat has to be RT for the pie to be RT assured ?

bread and flour etc do not carry the logo is because of mixing with none assured

are you saying meat can be mixed with un assured but still use the logo ? surely not ?

 

[Clive]

not really cos the store animal would have to be imported live....few ROI i suppose

as been said @Clive please don't drag us in to try win combineable fight.....many of us are on your side despite not having an interest.....fight the arguement on the basis of imports.....crowd fund for legal challenge to aic IMO

i’m just trying to get to the truth of RT published claims

surely if none rt assured imported meat is being somehow sold with a RT logo thats not good news for livestock producers ?

and misleading consumers never ends well

 

[Bald Rick]

@Bald Rick can you get your imported cows on RT or do you get penalised at slaughter?

We put our RT beef sticker on the declaration sheet but it largely depends on the abattoir tbh. One we used a bit ago penalised on any foreign tag (& wouldn’t take cattle from certain countries in any case) whilst the one we use now doesn’t seem to discriminate at all. Still get bugger all but then they are jerseys

As an addendum, the cows come in as heifers and hopefully are in the herd for many years so would come under RT care and inspection in any case

 

[Full of bull(s)]

Do red tractor have any influence/ control over abattoirs or processing ? - would they dare upset them ?
Same with mills etc re. crops I would guess ?

No the other way round and that ironically is why whole life assurance has never got off the ground. I believe in Scotland it has but they generally larger herds, a much higher proportion of breeder/finishers and very few meat plants. In England/Wales the processors know they simply wouldn’t get the supply they needed if it was compulsory so aren’t going to push for it. By requiring it on finished cattle they push big finishers into being members so they have a choice of outlets to market to, unfortunately there isn’t the capacity at medium sized Non FA plants and it’s enough to get the logo on the packet

 

[texelburger]

so what % meat has to be RT for the pie to be RT assured ?

bread and flour etc do not carry the logo is because of mixing with none assured

are you saying meat can be mixed with un assured but still use the logo ? surely not ?

I'm really not sure on this but I think non RT meat can be mixed with assured and sold as RT.Somebody with more knowledge than me will know the answer.Anyone know for certain ?

 

[Christoph1945]

How did horsemeat end up in lasagne?

A most interesting question! Considering the nefarious nature of some of the folks who provided the horses for the mince, I'm surprised that it was never tested for human DNA;
or perhaps it was and they kept their mouths shut.

 

[Jerry]

I'm really not sure on this but I think non RT meat can be mixed with assured and sold as RT.Somebody with more knowledge than me will know the answer.Anyone know for certain ?

If true then that renders red tractor valueless

 

[redbaron]

I submitted several questions prior to the recent RT webinar. Some were answered during the webinar, and others were answered in an email to me, displayed below. The answers relating to imported foods seem very clear, but perhaps not what others on here believe?

 

[puppet]

Quality Meat Scotland run the Scotch Assured brand. Anything with that label has to be born, reared, transported, sold and killed by firms and farms under the scheme.
I see nothing wrong with that if you want the label and small premium on Scotch beef.
It used to be 90 days of life so I could have bought 500kg steer in Carlisle and fattened it then selling it as Scotch - not Scottish which is a different thing. That loophole stopped over 5 years ago

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

I submitted several questions prior to the recent RT webinar. Some were answered during the webinar, and others were answered in an email to me, displayed below. The answers relating to imported foods seem very clear, but perhaps not what others on here believe?View attachment 945536

Can you fill in the answers "discussed on the day" as, not being RT here, we can't access them. If WLA came in we would have to join but I'd want a good financial case for it, not just the blackmail of having no market for our stores without it.

 

[Yonlass]

so my Red tractor beef could have been born outside of the uk ?

this seems to directly contradict their marketing and that wiki page i posted above

I'm not sure what they do with the meat after slaughter, but imported cattle cannot be sold as RT farm assured.
Dunbia wont take them, so any imports go through the live ring-which is the usual job that if there's a demand, there's no price difference, if the market's down, you get penalised further
The absolute farce from a dairy farmer's point of view is that you import them in as heifers, they spend longer here than they ever did in say Germany, living with their farm assured English colleagues in exactly the same farm assured conditions, and their milk is sold as RT farm assured from the same bulk tank. But when it comes to weigh them in........

 

[Top Tip.]

RT assured does not have to be born in the uk though ? they suggest it does ?

I would suggest that they do have to have a UK ear tag to attain red tractor status. It is true that after 90 days they assume farm assurance but only if they are of Uk origin, this is why foreign cattle are heavily discounted in the abattoirs.

 

[Old apprentice]

A most interesting question! Considering the nefarious nature of some of the folks who provided the horses for the mince, I'm surprised that it was never tested for human DNA;
or perhaps it was and they kept their mouths shut.

Not they wanting to high jack the thread, When watching the news years ago they were slaging farming of regards BSE . I was so annoyed I rang the news room and said it could have come from humans a body put in a rendering plant no one would know it had been put in !!

 

[Henarar]

I submitted several questions prior to the recent RT webinar. Some were answered during the webinar, and others were answered in an email to me, displayed below. The answers relating to imported foods seem very clear, but perhaps not what others on here believe?View attachment 945536

there is nothing morally wrong with an animal becoming assured after 8 weeks on an assured farm
morality don't come in to it, just rules
please leave non RT store sellers alone with our morals we are quite happy with the rules and our morals as they are thank you very much and so are most of those that buy the animals from us.

 

[Christoph1945]

Not they wanting to high jack the thread, When watching the news years ago they were slaging farming of regards BSE . I was so annoyed I rang the news room and said it could have come from humans a body put in a rendering plant no one would know it had been put in !!

Oops, sorry for going off on a tangent!

 

[spin cycle]

I submitted several questions prior to the recent RT webinar. Some were answered during the webinar, and others were answered in an email to me, displayed below. The answers relating to imported foods seem very clear, but perhaps not what others on here believe?View attachment 945536

ffs giving them ammunition for wla ......it's getting to the stage where those of us livestock farmers are gonna have to say to you grain boys fight your own fight...i fought wla six years ago

aic IMO are breaking competition law .....stop fekking about and get at them about via CMA or knuckle under...stop bleating and leave us out of it if the above is the best you can do

 

[digger64]

there is nothing morally wrong with an animal becoming assured after 8 weeks on an assured farm
morality don't come in to it, just rules
please leave non RT store sellers alone with our morals we are quite happy with the rules and our morals as they are thank you very much and so are most of those that buy the animals from us.

I personally would be able to cope WLA atm but should farm , land or economic circumstances change I might not be able to in the future.
But the concept of persecuting other producers and reducing their selling options I would consider immoral .
Also I would consider having a union claiming to be representing the whole industry supporting this concept to be immoral .

 

[digger64]

so what % meat has to be RT for the pie to be RT assured ?

bread and flour etc do not carry the logo is because of mixing with none assured

are you saying meat can be mixed with un assured but still use the logo ? surely not ?

how would you prove otherwise ? used to have labels produce of EEC but where from exactly ?