livestock producers- Red Tractor question ?

[Henarar]

does your straw come with stickers on it ?

No just Roundup

 

[Henarar]

aparently it dosnt have to for bedding and they wouldnt eat any would they? make the rules to fit ther agenda.

not a morsel has ever past their lips, @Sid would swear on his life

 

[thorpe]

I've explained it enough times again and again .

No idea, but depends on season and supply.

you really should know go on tell us it might just make us go organic!

 

[digger64]

not a morsel has ever past their lips, @Sid would swear on his life

thats good we wouldnt want them choke on a wind blown sticker

 

[Sid]

Sorry @Clive.
Thread discussion is being spoilt by off topic and trolling.

Shame.

 

[kiwi pom]

If a beef animal can be non assured but can turn into assured if it goes to the right finisher is the same true for lamb and pork?
It does seem those that sell store cattle have a market for non assured where as the arable farmers are more limited?
I wonder how much grain for small farms is marketed through an RT farm to get the magic sticker?
There was someone on here a few years ago that said they did it.

Time RT was scrapped and just let the buyers set their own standards.

 

[JP1]

Now we are out we should completely reform food labeling laws here to work as a "typical man/woman in the street" would expect.

British should mean totally British (all ingredients and any processing)
UK likewise
If only processed here then that's what it should say (and declare where the ingredients so processed came from).
"Produce of multiple countries" or similar is a cop out and should not be allowed, as is the fudge "British and Irish".
If your supply system is so complex that you can't label the origin then "produce of uncertain origin" is at least honest.


No customers are asking whether the ingredients were RT farm assured at the till so stop abusing the idea to control producers.

Root and branch reform of food labelling is what is required. NFU action not Red Tractor. End of

 

[thorpe]

Sorry @Clive.
Thread discussion is being spoilt by off topic and trolling.

Shame.

sorry you feel that way, but i dont know of any organic holdings around here who are actually rt apparently there standards are above rt looking at there stock i find that a disgrace!

 

[Sid]

sorry you feel that way, but i dont know of any organic holdings around here who are actually rt apparently there standards are above rt looking at there stock i find that a disgrace!

3 seperate farmers leaving trails of dung and slurry over the roads here today.

These farmers do non of us any favours!

Thinking of @Clive issue with non assured grain mixed with assured grain.
As the rules stand now, why shouldn't an imported animal be allowed to be RT after its qualification period just like a UK reared one?

 

[JP1]

Milk is something that come from the diet amd conditions of the animal in the last 24 hours not from the whole life of the animal, same as eggs, or slightly longer term wool.

Would you expect land to be assured to 1000's of years to grow assured wheat?

I would expect it to be assured from when it is sown at least.

No your beloved RT want a health plan from your vet not from you. They want a chain of paper not actually see your cows and make an assessment for themselves on BCS or lameness

I gave up when I had to pay my own vet to regurgitate an annual herd health plan yet I'm the one keen on minimising antibiotic use and never one that is a key human one. It's tragic and if you were caring why would you accept non FA culls have to go and get trucked miles to bypass the stranglehold here. I just won't do it and have to accept the deduction but it absolutely stinks

And you want to go further for WLA?

 

[JP1]

3 seperate farmers leaving trails of dung and slurry over the roads here today.

These farmers do non of us any favours!

Thinking of @Clive issue with non assured grain mixed with assured grain.
As the rules stand now, why shouldn't an imported animal be allowed to be RT after its qualification period just like a UK reared one?

Exactly how does an RT inspector sitting in your kitchen every 18 months stop this then?

 

[Sid]

No your beloved RT want a health plan from your vet not from you. They want a chain of paper not actually see your cows and make an assessment for themselves on BCS or lameness

I gave up when I had to pay my own vet to regurgitate an annual herd health plan yet I'm the one keen on minimising antibiotic use and never one that is a key human one. It's tragic and if you were caring why would you accept non FA culls have to go and get trucked miles to bypass the stranglehold here. I just won't do it and have to accept thed eduction but it absolutely stinks

And you want to go further for WLA?

I don't think RT is fit for purpose as it is.
For various reasons, one of them being the magic of a short period on a assured farm.


I have to get an antibiotic review from my vet.
The fact I may not have used any at all means nothing. I need a piece of paper.

I didn't take what my inspector said either. I have had a non compliance removed because I checked the guidance and it was not a non compliance!

 

[Sid]

Exactly how does an RT inspector sitting in your kitchen every 18 months stop this then?

It doesn’t .
But it would have more of an influence over the consumer than if you have ticked a box.

 

[JP1]

It doesn’t .
But it would have more of an influence over the consumer than if you have ticked a box.

Justin King at Sainsbury doesn't agree

Mud on road is a police issue nothing that RT would tackle anyway. Just a joke defending it in that way

 

[Sid]

Justin King at Sainsbury doesn't agree

Mud on road is a police issue nothing that RT would tackle anyway. Just a joke defending it in that way

Sorry lost me

 

[JP1]

I don't think RT is fit for purpose as it is.
For various reasons, one of them being the magic of a short period on a assured farm.


I have to get an antibiotic review from my vet.
The fact I may not have used any at all means nothing. I need a piece of paper.

I didn't take what my inspector said either. I have had a non compliance removed because I checked the guidance and it was not a non compliance!

You missed my point. I want less AB's than the vet and would happily state that in MY repeat MY herd health plan

My point is I don't want to be penalised . I'd like to be recognised for what I do and I refuse to perjure myself on cr@p like not having a cat but needing to worm it

 

[thorpe]

3 seperate farmers leaving trails of dung and slurry over the roads here today.

These farmers do non of us any favours!

Thinking of @Clive issue with non assured grain mixed with assured grain.
As the rules stand now, why shouldn't an imported animal be allowed to be RT after its qualification period just like a UK reared one?

i keep following but no price on organic straw, and why should you be able to use conventional straw? its a bit like the irish overstocking on slats but still rt. and rt auditers pick up on us for petty little things.

 

[JP1]

Sorry lost me

Justin King pulled out of RT

 

[digger64]

No your beloved RT want a health plan from your vet not from you. They want a chain of paper not actually see your cows and make an assessment for themselves on BCS or lameness

I gave up when I had to pay my own vet to regurgitate an annual herd health plan yet I'm the one keen on minimising antibiotic use and never one that is a key human one. It's tragic and if you were caring why would you accept non FA culls have to go and get trucked miles to bypass the stranglehold here. I just won't do it and have to accept the deduction but it absolutely stinks

And you want to go further for WLA?

I dont know were your culls go and dont want to , but if you sell them locally dont they just get trucked by someone else ?

 

[Sid]

You missed my point. I want less AB's than the vet and would happily state that in MY repeat MY herd health plan

My point is I don't want to be penalised . I'd like to be recognised for what I do and I refuse to perjure myself on cr@p like not having a cat but needing to worm it

I agree with you.

i keep following but no price on organic straw, and why should you be able to use conventional straw? its a bit like the irish overstocking on slats but still rt. and rt auditers pick up on us for petty little things.

Off topic. So no comment


its the petty things that annoy us all

Justin King pulled out of RT

Says it all. Not fit for purpose