Livestock thefts increasing

[ALABAI LIVESTOCK GUARDIAN]

The laws in this country are enacted by Parliament so, if what you say is true, there will be an Act of Parliament to confirm what you say. Could you please state the name and date of that Act and the specific section that refers to "recognised livestock protection dogs" and their use here in the UK?

https://siccaro.co.uk/dog-tips/livestock-protection-dogs/ Another link for some interesting reading on lsg

 

[Dry Rot]

https://siccaro.co.uk/dog-tips/livestock-protection-dogs/ Another link for some interesting reading on lsg

Brilliant! No UK legal references but two links, one to a Canadian site and the other to a Danish site, so the OP is unable to back up his claims with hard facts as anticipated.

 

[ALABAI LIVESTOCK GUARDIAN]

Brilliant! No UK legal references but two links, one to a Canadian site and the other to a Danish site, so the OP is unable to back up his claims with hard facts as anticipated.

So dry rot must have dry rot of his god damn mind and is clearly unable to read. My post said here is some interesting reading on lsg while I find the info on the uk government law and legislation page. As I’m sure your aware there is a lot of reading and scrolling to do when making this kind of search of a government database. I could quote numerous sites but I’m sure mr argument would like it from the official government site and obviously asking for patience from dry rot while I cater to his request is a virtue he lacks along with the general idea of what a forum is. Some mothers do have em eh. Rather than spending your efforts just being a pr*ck then why not do some research yourself on a subject you clearly no little about and I quote you from a previous post, “don’t lsg have to be suckled onto a ewe or something like that”. Sounds to me like you are definitely the expert on this field??. If you found the legislation I’m on about before me then you would have actually done something positive for your fellow forum members and fellow farmers by providing hard evidence that could help them to protect their livestock and therefore livelihood. I will no focus my efforts on getting you the information that you requested but by no means deserve. But as a fellow human I will go out of my way to help another person where I can instead of just making argumentative remarks and not contributing to the post or even better yet, still not answering my original question. Ever so helpful dry rot. Way to represent your fellow farmers and give a great first impression of this forum to the non farming members (end produce consumers)who by the way pay your bloody bills you ungrateful ****. I shall now do what I set out to do and provide something positive and educational for the benefit of everyone who may benefit from use of lsg breeds. Top notch you are dry rot. What a melt??

 

[RushesToo]

No apology needed as I am in no way trying to sell dogs too farmers. As stated I am a kennels of, not breeders of. Any litters we do produce are spoken for well in advance of arrival. I do have a full and comprehensive understanding of the uk dog law and I am a registered and accredited kennels of guardians with a £25 million public liability excess and I always have and always will operate inside the laws. I deal with uk dog law on a daily basis with my not huge but successful enough for me business and am actively trying to challenge some of them. I joined purely to seek the answer to my own question, born of noticing an increasing lack of dogs at farms and small holdings(through my daily work). So rather than guess I chose to ask the relevant question to the relevant people to broaden my own understanding of working dog trends within the uk. Questions cause discussion, through discussion comes thought, through collective thought and discussion comes answers to those questions. Through answers we give rise to progress. Please don’t take this as me trying to sell dogs. My dogs are NOT for sale. Through discussion comes progression.
I did not post links to articles trying to convince farmers about livestock guardian breeds as that is not my intention to convince anyone of anything but to get an understanding of if their numbers have risen along with livestock crime or not and if so why not?
Those who ask questions and challenge things broaden their understandings and better themselves and hopefully in the long run can use that knowledge bore of questions to help others. If it’s articles about livestock guardian breeds that you would like them please use the wonderful resource that is the internet Or if you would like I can certainly point you guys in the right direction of some well written and informative, factual articles. I did not come here to sell, annoy, ruffle or argue. Purely a member of the non farming community(public/a end consumer of your products) asking questions to the people in the know(you guys/the farmers themselves).

Please accept my apologies for being cynical. I would welcome more articles that you have found informative about guardian dogs.
I agree that there is a lack of acceptance of guardian dogs and it leads me to wonder what would happen if you have animals that attacked, we have some law around this:
Bulls - you are guilty
Dogs - guilty
Mothering cattle - probably guilty
Mules- probably not case law
Alpacca - not sure there is case law
Goats - again case law.
We are a very regulated society.


As an aside I went to University with a chap that has ended up studying dogs and has studied the time you get tame, gentle, humanise canines. His research so far far shows that there are three months in a domesticated dog and about 2 weeks with a wolf.

 

[Dry Rot]

As an aside I went to University with a chap that has ended up studying dogs and has studied the time you get tame, gentle, humanise canines. His research so far far shows that there are three months in a domesticated dog and about 2 weeks with a wolf.

Periods when socialisation occurs? This can involve imprinting and is very interesting. I first became interested in this when visiting a gamekeeper. While I was waiting for him to answer the door, I was watching a cockerel on free range trying to roger a wellington boot! The gamekeeper explained that they had hatched an egg on the Aga to amuse the kids. The chick later "imprinted" on the first moving thing it saw -- the families' wellington boots! Birds imprint fairly quickly for obvious reasons, dogs which mature much slower take weeks, estimated to be the first 6 weeks, then another period at around 3 - 4 months. It is quite complicated and still not fully understood.

That seems to be the general idea behind this character's livestock protection dogs. The pups are raised with (say) sheep and they grow up thinking they are sheep and become imprinted on the flock. Instinct clicks in and they become protective of the flock as they would to their own pack.

Unfortunately, imprinting is not an exact science and I too wonder what happens when the guardian dogs decide that trespassing children are a threat to the flock. There is also that "security fence" that the OP refers to. How many farmers are going to go to the expense of securely fencing their entire property on which they keep stock? If it is secure, won't that be keeping the foxes and two legged predators out anyway? I am sure guardian dogs are a great idea in the Canadian outback (they have a bit more space than we do and a more liberal attitude to the disposal of ramblers!) where wolves, coyotes, and bears are a problem, but would guess we will have some interesting court cases if they ever become popular here (especially if kept by people who don't understand canine psychology but think they do!).

Having said all that, I am sure dogs could find more uses on farms. On another thread, I suggested dogs might be trained to disperse the marauding flock of migrating wild geese that invade the spring grass on the north west of Scotland. I have witnessed the efficiency of a small bobbery pack of terriers and lurchers in fox control. We have various breeds and types of herding dogs on farms (collies, huntaways, etc). I just find it rather a waste of time trying to drive water up hill by using totally unsuitable breeds in totally unsuitable situations. I have asked the OP to demonstrate his livestock protection dogs working here in the UK and you've seen his response.

 

[Werzle]

Just had the police call in to give advice in relation to the above and to call 101 if needed. Quite a few lambs being stolen and butchered in the fields too.

Calf stolen from Worcestershire farm as police see rise in livestock thefts

A CALF just two days old has been stolen from a farm building as police receive reports of a spate of livestock thefts in Worcestershire.

www.bromsgroveadvertiser.co.uk

I have a cow with a young calf shut in a shed nr a road, i hope they try to steal the calf. Cows a mental case and would love the sport.