Liz Truss

lloyd

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Location
Herefordshire
I'm not endorsing Putins lies but I do really think in times like these politicians have to tread very carefully and think very deeply before they speak ....... don't give the monster a foothold of any kind .
Plus their own and their families lives are at risk . I have no doubt Putin has his henchmen moving in this country just waiting for the nod !
I'd imagine we already have professionals from Hereford doing
important intelligence gathering .We need to be as sneaky and underhand
as Putin not gobby and war mongering.
 

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
Anyone putting any blame on Ms Truss for the situation 'escalating' is a fool / Russian stooge; she spoke entirely reasonably and correctly.

Just as Putin accused the Ukrainian Gov't of being Nazis, and called his war a peacekeeping mission, it's a lie because he's failed, failed in Russia and failed in this attack.

Why on Earth would anyone responsible, even rational, post anything that endorses Putin's lies?
Let's be honest Truss is a Moron, for a start it's against UK law for a UK citizen to go & fight in a war against any country that the UK is not at war with, this was made very plain when UK nationals went to Iraq, so here you have a UK minister with the brain of a gnat telling people to break the law, just about sums up the current Tory cabinet doesn't it!
 

robs1

Member
I'd imagine we already have professionals from Hereford doing
important intelligence gathering .We need to be as sneaky and underhand
as Putin not gobby and war mongering.
Before this started half the world spoke to putin nicely, napoleon even spent 5 hours begging him not to invade, putin said it was an exercise and troops were pulling back , oh look they've invaded and are killing innocent people but of course we must be very polite and ask him ever do nicely to stop, blimey what has the Uk turned into. Call a spade a spade, it's not going well for him, do what's the harm in saying so
 

Martin Holden

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Trade
Location
Cheltenham
Come on folks! Do you really think Russia would change its nuclear readiness over a quote from a single politician? Nonsense! More likely the supply of arms that is going to be flowing into Ukraine from the West is a bigger influence! Oh and along with increased strangulation of the Russian economy and international involvement/travel will have a bigger motivation for more rhetoric from the Kremlin. This is one hell of a game of spoof he is playing, but this one isn't innocent as lives are being lost and Putin is distancing himself from the rest of the world rapidly. As some better informed than me observers have said, he is boxing himself into a big corner which is in itself perhaps more dangerous.
 

lloyd

Member
Location
Herefordshire
Before this started half the world spoke to putin nicely, napoleon even spent 5 hours begging him not to invade, putin said it was an exercise and troops were pulling back , oh look they've invaded and are killing innocent people but of course we must be very polite and ask him ever do nicely to stop, blimey what has the Uk turned into. Call a spade a spade, it's not going well for him, do what's the harm in saying so
No one needs to speak nicely to or about him, but if British people
are encouraged to join Ukraine forces on the ground at what point
is this country responsible for those people and how do you stop it
escalating into something a lot more serious unless that is ones desired intention?
 

robs1

Member
No one needs to speak nicely to or about him, but if British people
are encouraged to join Ukraine forces on the ground at what point
is this country responsible for those people and how do you stop it
escalating into something a lot more serious unless that is ones desired intention?
Perhaps those brits going believe they are helping to free Ukraine unlike the internet warriors.
IIRC there are people who suggested those that went to fight for ISIS etc should be allowed back here despite them killing uk and usa soldiers etc yet now want Brits who are going to fight against a insane idiot to he stopped it is indeed a strange world
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Ben Wallace contradicts Liz Truss and urges Britons not
to join the fight in Ukraine .
Does that mean he is speaking unreasonably and incorrectly?
You need to go back and note exactly what she said, which Wallace very carefully repeated this morning when interviewed by the BBC on Today; no doubting he was far more specific in what he added, but then he had to ensure that idiots trying to deliberately misconstrue what had been already been said couldn't do the same with his words.

And, since facts seem rather important in this, in the same interview Wallace made the very specific point that Britons without military experience / training should not try and join the fight.

So with reference to your question, it was based on not just one, but two false premises... good effort! (y)
 

capfits

Member
You need to go back and note exactly what she said, which Wallace very carefully repeated this morning when interviewed by the BBC on Today; no doubting he was far more specific in what he added, but then he had to ensure that idiots trying to deliberately misconstrue what had been already been said couldn't do the same with his words.

And, since facts seem rather important in this, in the same interview Wallace made the very specific point that Britons without military experience / training should not try and join the fight.

So with reference to your question, it was based on not just one, but two false premises... good effort! (y)
Thank goodness dear old Gavin "gunboats" Williamson was not being used to back up Truss.;)
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
I didn’t think her offering a pallet of Stilton was that offensive, but clearly Vlad took umbrage. Thank goodness she try to organise a trade deal while she met him, or he would be totally outraged.
 

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
@bbcLauraKT
Boris Johnson: "When I was foreign secretary, I opened my stupid gob and somehow got Nazanin's prison sentence extended. No foreign secretary will every top that!"
Liz Truss: "Hold my gin and Dubonnet. I think I'm going to start nuclear war with Russia."

God. f**king. Help. Us

BREAKING: Ukraine has sent an emergency message to the UK government, pleading with them to hide Liz Truss so she cannot say something stupid that f**ks up peace talks. Liz is understood to be busy trying on hats x
 

Martin Holden

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Trade
Location
Cheltenham
@bbcLauraKT
Boris Johnson: "When I was foreign secretary, I opened my stupid gob and somehow got Nazanin's prison sentence extended. No foreign secretary will every top that!"
Liz Truss: "Hold my gin and Dubonnet. I think I'm going to start nuclear war with Russia."

God. f**king. Help. Us

BREAKING: Ukraine has sent an emergency message to the UK government, pleading with them to hide Liz Truss so she cannot say something stupid that f**ks up peace talks. Liz is understood to be busy trying on hats x
The western world is at a crisis point. Jibes about the UK government which no doubt have Brexit connotations aren’t very helpful and in fact a bit silly.
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
The western world is at a crisis point. Jibes about the UK government which no doubt have Brexit connotations aren’t very helpful and in fact a bit silly.

It's not about Brexit, its about having people who are up to the job. A glorified coat hanger who goes about making inane statements, whilst worrying about her next photo opportunity is not what's needed atm. This is more a job for someone like Frost or Hunt neither of whom I particularly like but think they have the right abilities in this situation. And Loony Liz can go back to selling UK cheese.
 

Martin Holden

Member
Trade
Location
Cheltenham
It's not about Brexit, its about having people who are up to the job. A glorified coat hanger who goes about making inane statements, whilst worrying about her next photo opportunity is not what's needed atm. This is more a job for someone like Frost or Hunt neither of whom I particularly like but think they have the right abilities in this situation. And Loony Liz can go back to selling UK cheese.
The quality of many on all sides in the house of commons these days leaves much to be desired. the current incumbents were voted for in the last GE, well their leader was by quite some margin amazingly. However I really don't think Putin would ever be swayed by one small politician from wherever. Now if you fire a missile at him or a Russian target, that will get his attention I'm sure (not suggesting we should)
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Liz Truss persuaded by aides to share a photo of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe to celebrate her release
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