Lleyn x welsh hill flock

[De ja]

A cross I would like to try for a low input lowland system. Would I have a problem sourcing ewe lambs ?

 

[Bones]

Probably pretty close to a easycare ewe

 

[Woolless]

Probably pretty close to a easycare ewe

But still carrying wool worth very little!

 

[An ancient git]

Why not , if on lowland , just get some Lleyn ? Or Easycare type . The Exlana look Lleyn-like without the wool . If I was years younger , that's the way I'd go !!

 

[De ja]

Lleyns in my experience tend to have too many lambs as they get older...thought a cross would put that right. Dont want shedding type...will end up with a percentage of broken coated prime lambs to sell liveweight..not ideal.

 

[Guiggs]

Lleyns in my experience tend to have too many lambs as they get older...thought a cross would put that right. Dont want shedding type...will end up with a percentage of broken coated prime lambs to sell liveweight..not ideal.

How many would you be looking to buy?
I run lleyns but buy in welsh grazing ewes, pull out the better and tup them to a Texel, could always put them to a lleyn if I had a market for the lambs!

 

[Agrivator]

A cross I would like to try for a low input lowland system. Would I have a problem sourcing ewe lambs ?

A Border Leicester would surely be a better cross to produce the traditional Welsh Halfbred, for a Lowland system. Or maybe even a Blueface.

 

[gwi1890]

A Border Leicester would surely be a better cross to produce the traditional Welsh Halfbred, for a Lowland system. Or maybe even a Blueface.

Honestly don’t think mules can hack low input , I had plenty and they are all gone now,
I was drawing Lambs form april born forage only lleyn x welsh last week and lamb were texel x the went on the hook average 18k E and U , 3 lambs pulled out of 270 in that flock if you want a hassle free flock thats the way to go. I cant see what a BFL cross offers in this day and age appart from a lager ewe and a tup that dies after serving a few ewes

 

[glensman]

Honestly don’t think mules can hack low input , I had plenty and they are all gone now,
I was drawing Lambs form april born forage only lleyn x welsh last week and lamb were texel x the went on the hook average 18k E and U , 3 lambs pulled out of 270 in that flock if you want a hassle free flock thats the way to go. I cant see what a BFL cross offers in this day and age appart from a lager ewe and a tup that dies after serving a few ewes

Have you weaned them, or just pulled some that were ready and left the rest on the ewes?

 

[gwi1890]

Have you weaned them, or just pulled some that were ready and left the rest on the ewes?

just pulled the one that were ready

 

[unlacedgecko]

A cross I would like to try for a low input lowland system. Would I have a problem sourcing ewe lambs ?

if you want a highly prolific low input and good carcass cross bred ewe, what about a welsh x inverdale?

 

[Agrivator]

I suppose that those who want easycare sheep, in other words, those shepherdlessers who can't be bothered to look after them properly, need a highly prolific type of sheep, so that they will at least have a few lambs left to sell.

Why else would anyone want highly prolific sheep?

Just saying, a;though I don't want to start an argument.

Maybe an Aberfield X Welsh would make a reasonable ewe for lowground conditions. Something with abit of style and attitude.

 

[gwi1890]

I suppose that those who want easycare sheep, in other words, those shepherdlessers who can't be bothered to look after them properly, need a highly prolific type of sheep, so that they will at least have a few lambs left to sell.

Why else would anyone want highly prolific sheep?

Just saying, a;though I don't want to start an argument.

Maybe an Aberfield X Welsh would make a reasonable ewe for lowground conditions. Something with abit of style and attitude.

so the easycare guys who select for ease of lambing,worm resistance, go to the hassle of recording muscle depth and back fat amongst other things can’t be Bothered to look after them? I think it’s much more of a challenge in the short term to build an “easycare “ flock

 

[Sheepfog]

I suppose that those who want easycare sheep, in other words, those shepherdlessers who can't be bothered to look after them properly, need a highly prolific type of sheep, so that they will at least have a few lambs left to sell.

Why else would anyone want highly prolific sheep?

Just saying, a;though I don't want to start an argument.

Maybe an Aberfield X Welsh would make a reasonable ewe for lowground conditions. Something with abit of style and attitude.

They make lovely ewes. I lamb mine outside to Suffolk tups. They produce lovely ewe lambs to sell and good wether lambs that sell well live weight. They're not big ewes either averaging 70Kg max.

I think they would be even better if the base ewe was a NCC hill type

 

[SteveHants]

Lleyns in my experience tend to have too many lambs as they get older...thought a cross would put that right. Dont want shedding type...will end up with a percentage of broken coated prime lambs to sell liveweight..not ideal.

Not in my experience you won't if you put them to a wooled tup.
I have used SufTex, Suffolk and Char over them and the slaughter lambs just ended up with clean bellies and heads, occasionally with a high wool line along the back end.

 

[irish dom]

I suppose that those who want easycare sheep, in other words, those shepherdlessers who can't be bothered to look after them properly, need a highly prolific type of sheep, so that they will at least have a few lambs left to sell.

Why else would anyone want highly prolific sheep?

Just saying, a;though I don't want to start an argument.

Maybe an Aberfield X Welsh would make a reasonable ewe for lowground conditions. Something with abit of style and attitude.

What the frig is attitude in a sheep. Can you quantify and explain please. People with an attitude are usually plonkers so why have it in sheep?

 

[unlacedgecko]

What the frig is attitude in a sheep. Can you quantify and explain please. People with an attitude are usually plonkers so why have it in sheep?

Same as style and power.

 

[Agrivator]

What the frig is attitude in a sheep. Can you quantify and explain please. People with an attitude are usually plonkers so why have it in sheep?

What is this 'frig'? It's a word I haven't come across.

Other descriptions of a sheep with attitude might be: character, presence, carriage, style, flair, elegant, graceful, arrogant, bold........

Any of the above could be used to describe, for example, a good Cheviot Mule or Suffolk x Mule. But there are some breeds, crosses and mongrels which couldn't be described by any of the above.

 

[gwi1890]

What is this 'frig'? It's a word I haven't come across.

Other descriptions of a sheep with attitude might be: character, presence, carriage, style, flair, elegant, graceful, arrogant, bold........

Any of the above could be used to describe, for example, a good Cheviot Mule or Suffolk x Mule. But there are some breeds, crosses and mongrels which couldn't be described by any of the above.

I’m confused, are suffolk mules not crosses?

 

[Agrivator]

So are Cheviot Mules. How could these be described? Elegant, Graceful, Arrogant?