Load it yourself!

[Lincoln75]

I`m pretty sure you cant take a telehandler on the public road without a ticket even if you are the owner operator , something to do with it being a single use machine..

 

[Highland Mule]

The thing is though, that the PDF invoice is still useless as input to QuuckBooks. It can’t turn the graphic into the alpha numeric data input it requires. I have to read the pdf myself and type it in manually, but reading a piece of paper and typing it in manually is easier as I don’t need to keep switching between windows to see the data. So pdf invoices sent electronically arent very handy. I’d need a directory on the I cloud to save them then my accountant would need access . Subscriptions, passwords and faffing about.

That's very strange, and not representative of most pdf files and pdf readers. I can only assume that you have a very unusual computer setup that is messing you around.

I've just pulled up a few random pdf invoices - first one came direct from the vendor's quickbooks package, second from Screwfix's own system and third from Shearwell. In every case, I can select and copy the text exactly as it is.

 

[Hilly]

I've said on these type of threads so many times before, I'm glad I'm livestock only and the float driver and me always have to work together

Fortunately it seems livestock hauliers are still attracting very good drivers !

 

[TheTallGuy]

I`m pretty sure you cant take a telehandler on the public road without a ticket even if you are the owner operator , something to do with it being a single use machine..

https://www.fwi.co.uk/machinery/tips-to-stay-on-the-right-side-of-telehandler-law
Gives a fairly good guide - the short version is that you can legally take a telehandler on the road with only a standard agricultural entitlement on your driving licence subject to age restrictions - particularly for pivot steer models.

However, under PUWER 1998 "formal training" is required to use equipment & under the HSE guidance/Accepted Code of Practice for "lift trucks" obtaining a certificate of training from a 3rd party specialist training establishment goes a long way to proving that adequate training has been given. If you allow third parties to use your loading equipment on your site, you are responsible for ensuring that they are competent to do so and carry the work out in a safe manner. Even if using their own equipment you need to take reasonable steps to ensure their competency etc.

 

[Mur Huwcun]

I'm not 100% up on the UK drivers hours rules but loading their own truck won't make any difference to their driving hours. Loading is 'other work' and most drivers on shorter hauls wont max out their drive time.
Even if they are not driving the loader, as I understand it they should still be on duty, other work and not taking a break, as they are still supervising loading.
Some drivers will try fit a break into loading/unloading though.

This, you shouldn’t be on a rest period when loading. Should be as other work. If the DVSA were to really look into it how can you just drive-rest-drive. They could never dictate how long you need to load though so could be on other work for 15-30 mins and squeeze a 15 or 30 break in though

 

[DrWazzock]

That's very strange, and not representative of most pdf files and pdf readers. I can only assume that you have a very unusual computer setup that is messing you around.

I've just pulled up a few random pdf invoices - first one came direct from the vendor's quickbooks package, second from Screwfix's own system and third from Shearwell. In every case, I can select and copy the text exactly as it is.

You selected, you copied and you pasted. That's hardly automatic input is it. Try doing that with a pdf of a hand scrawled page of an invoice book sent by my roofing sheet merchant.
If QBooks or any other package could extract the necessary info such as date, description, quantity, units, price per unit, VAT rate, total amount from an invoice then we'd be getting somewhere but until there is a standard electronic invoice format then such automatic tie up is a pipe dream and you are hardly at a disadvantage using paper. I can read a piece of paper and use drop down menus on quickbooks and type in amounts far quicker than I can find and open a pdf and copy and paste.

 

[DrWazzock]

This, you shouldn’t be on a rest period when loading. Should be as other work. If the DVSA were to really look into it how can you just drive-rest-drive. They could never dictate how long you need to load though so could be on other work for 15-30 mins and squeeze a 15 or 30 break in though

This is precisely the temptation and why drivers loading is a bad idea. It gets assigned as a rest break when it isn't. Folk end up "working" 14 hours a day with 7 on the tacho. I suppose you might be able to say driving a telehandler was a leisure activity.

 

[Mur Huwcun]

This is precisely the temptation and why drivers loading is a bad idea. It gets assigned as a rest break when it isn't. Folk end up "working" 14 hours a day with 7 on the tacho. I suppose you might be able to say driving a telehandler was a leisure activity.

Yes but shouldn’t really be on rest if someone else is loading either as you would struggle to prove its an uninterrupted brake. Even walking around the wagon kicking tyres or flicking straps is not really permitted

 

[TheTallGuy]

This is precisely the temptation and why drivers loading is a bad idea. It gets assigned as a rest break when it isn't. Folk end up "working" 14 hours a day with 7 on the tacho. I suppose you might be able to say driving a telehandler was a leisure activity.

Some supermarkets rely on drivers helping with the offload - especially if it's a smaller store on a tail lift job, there's some drivers who use break instead of "other work" in order to be able to screw an extra run in & max out their hours. One supermarket chain did a period of spot check comparisons between tacho data & tracker locations - anyone caught taking a break whilst "on the bay" got a serious rollicking!

 

[Ali_Maxxum]

8 pages.... so far! How to move a dead horse?!

Lorry drivers should be paid more to load/unload themselves but I'm paid sweet f/a when towing them out of ditches?!

Do agree though, I could have a brand new out the box handler for them to use and I would make them wait till I'm there. Our insurance says we really shouldn't drive customers gear when i.e. loading our fert spreader, etc. Makes me glad we have our own loader tractor now so I don't have to rattle around in some old wobble box that you can't see out of and wonder if the bloody thing will ever stop....

 

[Renaultman]

It would be easy to get drivers, they just have to double the price of your grain haulage

And pass that rate increase on to hauliers and drivers.

 

[Frankzy]

I wrote my own VAT accounts package in 1985 on an Amstrad CPC6128. All saved on those dinky 3” non standard discs that A Sugar bought as a cheap job lot. Try retrieving any of that now. Not a chance. Good job I printed it out. Within a decade pdf will probably be as dead as corduroy and about as readable as those 3” discs.
Truth is on paper I can go back to 1876 here.

Surely you have to understand how likening physical formats to a file type is about the same as trying to compare apples and oranges.
The data you saved in 1985 is still perfectly legible to even the most modern operating system...

The thing is though, that the PDF invoice is still useless as input to QuuckBooks. It can’t turn the graphic into the alpha numeric data input it requires.

Unless you worry about formatting this is a limitation with the Quickbooks software, *not* the file type and it has nothing to do with this "graphics" of a PDF. Text in PDF is stored as plaintext in the file.
And even if someone were to save the whole thing as a scan/picture OCR software has been a thoroughly solved problem for nigh on 50 years now...

 

[Hilly]

8 pages.... so far! How to move a dead horse?!

Lorry drivers should be paid more to load/unload themselves but I'm paid sweet f/a when towing them out of ditches?!

Do agree though, I could have a brand new out the box handler for them to use and I would make them wait till I'm there. Our insurance says we really shouldn't drive customers gear when i.e. loading our fert spreader, etc. Makes me glad we have our own loader tractor now so I don't have to rattle around in some old wobble box that you can't see out of and wonder if the bloody thing will ever stop....

I wouldn’t be pulling them out of ditches , firstly insurance !! Or lack of , secondly for free ? Fek that , thirdly have you seen what a wrecker would charge them ? And you do it free !! Don’t do it .

 

[Ali_Maxxum]

I wouldn’t be pulling them out of ditches , firstly insurance !! Or lack of , secondly for free ? Fek that , thirdly have you seen what a wrecker would charge them ? And you do it free !! Don’t do it .

I was merely poking a bit of fun at it really, not complete f/a but f/a considering what the entire unit is worth. Drivers to be paid more to load but then the man to save the day gets a pittance (usual farming returns).... ya get what I mean?

 

[ollie989898]

Some supermarkets rely on drivers helping with the offload - especially if it's a smaller store on a tail lift job, there's some drivers who use break instead of "other work" in order to be able to screw an extra run in & max out their hours. One supermarket chain did a period of spot check comparisons between tacho data & tracker locations - anyone caught taking a break whilst "on the bay" got a serious rollicking!

And this should not be allowed either- you've just got a bloke who has driven for hours to get to the drop and now you expect him to push cages as well before he drives away? Shouldn't be legal and the authorities should come down on the big retailers and put a stop to it.

It is high time truck drivers were treated properly. I'd be all in favour of banning HGVs moving on Sundays if it was me.

 

[No wot]

Hmmmm
One nameless haulier after a very late afternoon loading grumble…..said Hey no problem just leave the loader where I can get it, if it is after hours and I will load my self….
Not so long after said haulier was a guest of Her Majesty for a while….caught nicking grain by the wagon load from a certain place.
After Hours load….convenient drop off point not too far away for the extra few tons….

A friend parked his digger overnight at a small farm nr where he was doing some rd side work for the council , the farmer also ran a artic bulker lorry , when he went next morning in the daylight to his digger he spotted in one of the empty cattle yards were numerous small (1 ton'ish) heaps of wheat , now it could have been legitimate, but I'm always cautious about loading Friday nights / Saturday mornings

 

[ollie989898]

A friend parked his digger overnight at a small farm nr where he was doing some rd side work for the council , the farmer also ran a artic bulker lorry , when he went next morning in the daylight to his digger he spotted in one of the empty cattle yards were numerous small (1 ton'ish) heaps of wheat , now it could have been legitimate, but I'm always cautious about loading Friday nights / Saturday mornings

I've been told that some sites will not allow drivers to open the back door of their trailer fully to empty out the last few hundred kg nor will they allow drivers to climb up and enter their trailers to push it through the hatch. That being me, I too would be tipping the last little bit up somewhere for someone to have. Wasn't long ago that a driver tipped their trailer in a lay by and caught overhead wires?

 

[TheTallGuy]

And this should not be allowed either- you've just got a bloke who has driven for hours to get to the drop and now you expect him to push cages as well before he drives away? Shouldn't be legal and the authorities should come down on the big retailers and put a stop to it.

It is high time truck drivers were treated properly. I'd be all in favour of banning HGVs moving on Sundays if it was me.

Those drivers are being paid for the unloading & it forms part of their working day - store offload and reload can be 2 hours with a chilled double deck trailer, why should they be paid for sitting in the cab doing nothing for that time?

 

[ollie989898]

Those drivers are being paid for the unloading & it forms part of their working day - store offload and reload can be 2 hours with a chilled double deck trailer, why should they be paid for sitting in the cab doing nothing for that time?

If they aren't doing the same hours as a regular truck driver that is fine, but to expect people to load and unload themselves and drive the full working hours is inviting danger.

 

[kiwi pom]

If they aren't doing the same hours as a regular truck driver that is fine, but to expect people to load and unload themselves and drive the full working hours is inviting danger.

As I understand it those on store delivery in the UK spend most of their shift either waiting or loading/unloading. There isn't that much driving as the stores are serviced by a local RDC.
There wouldn't be many load up and drive 10 hours jobs in the UK.