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Loader Wagon vs Self Propelled

Discussion in 'Machinery' started by drizzle, Aug 11, 2018.

  1. drizzle

    drizzle New Member

    Trying to persuade the Old Man to take silage making back in house and like the look of a wagon. Anyone experienced with wagons care to take me through the positive and negatives?
     
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  2. Lofty1984

    Lofty1984 Member

    Location:
    Cardiff
    I suggest you do a bit of digging and trawl through the countless arguments on this point on tff already save yourself the hassle of the continuous alerts of arguments on your thread :(
     
    Joe S, Chae1, neilo and 7 others like this.
  3. Weare Cham

    Weare Cham Member

    Location:
    N. Devon
    Get a contractor with a wagon to dip your toes in.
     
  4. Ducati899

    Ducati899 Member

    Location:
    north dorset
    Hmmm two threads on a certain members favourite topics pop up after he’s getting flack on another thread....interesting
     
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  5. BobGreen

    BobGreen Member

    Location:
    Lancs
    And it starts again !!
     
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  6. World war 3
     
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  7. fiat 9090

    fiat 9090 Member

    Location:
    co offaly eire
    There is a thread at the moment about trailed harvesters and somebody has swung it around explaining the merits of wagons. I wonder who it was ?????????????????????????
     
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  8. fiat 9090

    fiat 9090 Member

    Location:
    co offaly eire
    On the thread here. I have used all 3 trailed , wagon and self propelled so the questions are 1 how much labor have u .2 what size are ur tractors and how many 3 long or short draw 4 do u have trailers 5 when do you cut ie may or late June 6 how much have you to spend 7 do you want it all cut in a day or do you mind if it goes on for a few days , 8 are you a spanner man , every method has its advantages and disadvantages
     
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  9. BDBed

    BDBed Member

    Location:
    Melton Mowbray
    With this being me first season with a wagon as a contactor it has really impressed me. With the acreage you can cover, chop quality and the flexibility I can offer the customer. BUT you have a lot to think about to get the best out of the wagon, from keeping knives sharp to rowing up correctly and clamp management. It is worth looking at but do your research. Go and see what can be achieved in the clamp and ask about best practices. The salesman will tell you what you want to here but 'professional' users will really help to understand the limitations of the system.

    A trailed/SPFH will always have a place and may suit better if long hauls involved and labour is in good supply. The plus about these if it goes in it'll chop it. From my own point of view cost and labour made it hard to justify either. But it was something I definitely considered.

    As above really what is your situation? It'll make a big difference to which will suit.
     
  10. Lofty1984

    Lofty1984 Member

    Location:
    Cardiff
    Fantastic post totally unbiased for once on this topic (y)(y)
     
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  11. Sackofnuts

    Sackofnuts Member

    Location:
    Cumbria
    It’s nice to read a good all round opinion that isn’t totally biased to one or the other. It’s these sort of user opinions which keeps me a member on here.
     
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  12. fiat 9090

    fiat 9090 Member

    Location:
    co offaly eire
    Don’t speak too soon lofty , it’s kinda like when you say that tractor never gave any bother and next thing it blows up
     
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2018
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  13. fiat 9090

    fiat 9090 Member

    Location:
    co offaly eire
    let operate zero tolerance to bull sh!t on this subject
     
  14. fiat 9090

    fiat 9090 Member

    Location:
    co offaly eire
    If you already have trailers and drivers then a John Deere 6750 at 20 k or fully serviced at 26k would b worth looking at they are v reliable nice to drive and don’t depreciate much , if you have 170 hp then a strautman giga2 or a Bergman 35 at 25000 I don’t know about the krone. There is not too much to go wrong with a wagon but some are v light and are just farmers machines
     
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  15. KB6930

    KB6930 Member

    Location:
    Borders
    Only tried a wagon once it was a field clearance job/demo as we couldn't get our usual contractor it was grass that was cut for hay but rained every day for a fortnight so was older hard dry stuff (not nice silage at all) it didn't chop it very well at all I'm told they're good with fresher grass where a forager will chop anything you put into it
     
  16. fiat 9090

    fiat 9090 Member

    Location:
    co offaly eire
    That would have been tough stuff to chop but they do chop well if the knives are sharp this year we swarted dry grass with a grouper on the mower versus a rake and because the grouper left it crossways it chopped it as well as our old 6810 silage harvester , I do the pushing up so I would notice it very quick and it’s tough going when the grass gets long and stringy
     
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  17. KB6930

    KB6930 Member

    Location:
    Borders
    I've nothing against them we gave it a fair go but it wasn't for us it was a 6 mile round trip to the field so took a long time to lift 17 acres they've definitely got a place we just prefer a chopper either trailed or sp we get better silage out the pit after a trailed machine as it's not coming in as fast but nothing wrong with a sp either
     
  18. fiat 9090

    fiat 9090 Member

    Location:
    co offaly eire
    I agree on most of what u said but the wagon does make good silage six mile if v heavy and weather bad is slow but wilted 8 to 10 Ton crop with two wagons can b fast enough we drew 18 acres 5 mile in six hours but that was no stops and grass was well wilted it took us a day to draw 14 acres non wilted 7 mile with one wagon so that was slow
     
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  19. 6480

    6480 Member

    Wher s our wagon proffesser mr agri knives .he must be doing maintence on them
     
  20. kiwi pom

    kiwi pom Member

    Location:
    canterbury NZ
    First question should be, can you show a significant financial benefit to the (old mans) business by taking the job back in house?
    If you cant what's the point?
     
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