logie durno tups

[Mr always wrong]

sorry if this has been discussed before.... but has anyone any experience of above. Either maternal or terminal and does anyone know what sort of price to expect to pay?

 

[scholland]

We've had few tups from them and they've all done well. The farm sale has guide prices where the auction starts from.
@Logie Durno sheep will be able to tell you all the details!

 

[Johnny400]

Last year i bought a Logie maternal tup. Doing what i wanted him to do so far.

 

[Mr always wrong]

Last year i bought a Logie maternal tup. Doing what i wanted him to do so far.

Are they similar to easyrams and innovis tups in their ability to cover large no. ewes?If you don't mind me asking what did you pay?

 

[Logie Durno sheep]

sorry if this has been discussed before.... but has anyone any experience of above. Either maternal or terminal and does anyone know what sort of price to expect to pay?

We normally average around £600 for our rams with prices starting at £450 going up to around £800 for the top ones. We like to keep the prices from going too high as we want to provide value for money and keep repeat custom as we are trying to build a sustainable business for the family. For our customers further afield we normally select a ram/rams for them as obviously most people dont want to travel to Aberdeen, so they just give us a price they want to pay, and a selection criteria for performance/physical/visual traits and we pick a ram and take it down. We normally try and make sure they get a good one for the money as we want them to be pleased.

 

[neilo]

Are they similar to easyrams and innovis tups in their ability to cover large no. ewes?If you don't mind me asking what did you pay?

Pssst, the two businesses you mentioned don't have a monopoly on that. All rams that are reared properly (not stuffed at a trough) and are fit and mobile, should be able to do just the same, whatever the breed. If they can't, then change where you get them from.

Just saying.....

 

[Mr always wrong]

was just using them as examples of breeders of composite, or mongrel as I seem to remember you calling them, my humblest apologies for not including the many forward thinking pedigree breeders such as yourself

 

[Johnny400]

Are they similar to easyrams and innovis tups in their ability to cover large no. ewes?If you don't mind me asking what did you pay?

Mine ran with 88 gimmers for 17 days and think all but two took. Then he must have tupped about 20 ewe lambs in the next round. In fairness to others ram breeders, I've Innovis Highlanders do similar number each year and a 3 shear from Neilo doing the same. They all come in loosing very little condition at all.

Edit, i paid a little more than the average

 

[Guiggs]

Anybody got any tips/advice on breeding/ selecting your own cross bred tup?
Char tex!

 

[gatepost]

Use the best of both breeds that you can afford, with the traits that you want, If you wanted good growth and muscling ie figures then at least start with stock with the rating you want in their own respective breeds , after that I don't think the performance record for crossbreds will be very meaningful ,only within flock at best, that may only be the best of a handful.

 

[neilo]

was just using them as examples of breeders of composite, or mongrel as I seem to remember you calling them, my humblest apologies for not including the many forward thinking pedigree breeders such as yourself

No worries. I don't have any problem with 'mongrel' sheep, in fact I run them myself and am quite happy with their performance.
I do take issue with the assumption that those that spend a lot on marketing somehow have exclusive rights to breeding/managing for basic functionality.

 

[Mr always wrong]

No worries. I don't have any problem with 'mongrel' sheep, in fact I run them myself and am quite happy with their performance.
I do take issue with the assumption that those that spend a lot on marketing somehow have exclusive rights to breeding/managing for basic functionality.

You are quite right to aswell. the sad fact is that a large number of pedigree breaders and to a certain extent commercial purchasers are far more interested in pushing tups hard so they stand out at the likes of kelso, the sad fact is grass fed tups look poor next to them and untill commercial buyers change their mindset the breeder cannot be blamed for producing these.

I am afraid I believe breeders with integrity, such as yourself, are few and far between so companies like the ones mentioned that have the ability to 'shout loudly' about how they breed for longevity , whilst they don't have exclusivity, do have a powerful marketing tool. Which if it changes the mindset surely can't be a bad thing.

 

[Joe]

Anybody got any tips/advice on breeding/ selecting your own cross bred tup?
Char tex!

Anyone here ever use a Charollais x Beltex? Have an exceptional nice bunch of shearlings this year and considering putting some & maybe the all January ewe lambs to a Beltex, always looking for next project

 

[Nithsdale]

Anyone here ever use a Charollais x Beltex? Have an exceptional nice bunch of shearlings this year and considering putting some & maybe the all January ewe lambs to a Beltex, always looking for next project

Yeah i used them for a few years.

From a good local Char breeder - but as far as im aware there was no recording or the likes going on.

There was no uniformity. 2 tups which looked the exact same would throw different lambs... youd also get a mixed bag from both tups - some lambs being very Char, some very Beltex. Some taking the best of both and others (very few) the poor of both.

On the whole though i thought they were good - the vast majority of lambs did well, growing/fattening quickly and were good on their feet. They were very easy lambing too.

But the Chars softness let them down for me (outside lambing in early March) - not that that would be an issue to most, im pushing it lambing as i do here.

Biggest downside was the price relative to life. The tups werent too expensive really, but they didnt last long - 2 years IIRC. I put that down to the Beltex.

 

[Joe]

Yeah i used them for a few years.

From a good local Char breeder - but as far as im aware there was no recording or the likes going on.

There was no uniformity. 2 tups which looked the exact same would throw different lambs... youd also get a mixed bag from both tups - some lambs being very Char, some very Beltex. Some taking the best of both and others (very few) the poor of both.

On the whole though i thought they were good - the vast majority of lambs did well, growing/fattening quickly and were good on their feet. They were very easy lambing too.

But the Chars softness let them down for me (outside lambing in early March) - not that that would be an issue to most, im pushing it lambing as i do here.

Biggest downside was the price relative to life. The tups werent too expensive really, but they didnt last long - 2 years IIRC. I put that down to the Beltex.

Cheers Nithsdale, any positives in term of finishing lambs over pure Charollais?

 

[jemski]

Anyone here ever use a Charollais x Beltex? Have an exceptional nice bunch of shearlings this year and considering putting some & maybe the all January ewe lambs to a Beltex, always looking for next project

Yes. Very good rams, came from a much tougher farm than mine and are finding it easy here! Good on their feet and clean behind. The lambs are cracking. One ram is more beltex, and is say his have a great shape but are slower to finish. Going to try him on the ewe lambs this year. Bonus is good birth coat over pure char, I lamb in feb and turn out quickly as we don't have the space. Singles go out at a few hours old when really busy and it's not a problem. No difference between them and the hartline and cheviot crosses, apart from the very occasional baldy.

 

[Nithsdale]

Cheers Nithsdale, any positives in term of finishing lambs over pure Charollais?

Its been a while, 10+ years, since a Charlie stepped foot on here so its all from vauge memory - we used them on hoggs...

The Char-Beltex tups were used alongside Texels. Overall the whole lot fattened very easily. IIRC the bulk of the lambs in the first few lots away fat were these cross lambs - but they wernt that much faster going as the Texels here. Maybe a week or 2 in it.

There were hanger-ons aswell away in the last lots BUT that couldve been a ewe problem rather as the lambs/tups used - mastitis or just a poor-dooer... maybe even just late lambers.

I like the Texels... but if i were lambing in April, or indoors, id be happy to use the crossbreds again (or maybe even a pure Char!).

Go ahead and use a wee beltie - if you dont like them, they will sell bloody well fat! Your not losing anything by having a go

 

[reverand]

I personally think they are too far apart in growth term as a cross tup. As @Nithsdale Farmer said you get all combinations of the cross and this is made worse by growth rate differences