LOLER💩

[beltbreaker]

We had our LOLER a few weeks ago and "inspector" failed our loader as the handbrake doesn't work. It's never worked since the day we bought it 2nd hand 5 years ago and has been checked annually.

It's a JD6630 and I have never in almost 30 years of driving 6000series Deere used the handbrake in anger as we use the park lock all the time. Looks like I will have to get it fixed or I won't be insured.

I am normally supportive of LOLER but this is boiling my pee. Also why do some NFU offices ask for a LOLER and others don't. I am wondering if there is a difference in price.. Somehow I would think if you do LOLER you pay more which seems obtuse.

Sadly I can see these certificates becoming a fact of life for everyone.

Rant over, cheers BB

 

[PSQ]

Sadly I can see these certificates becoming a fact of life for everyone.

You only need a LOLER certificate when something goes horribly wrong.
But not having a working handbrake is far too often the cause of the 'horribly wrong' bit.

 

[beltbreaker]

You only need a LOLER certificate when something goes horribly wrong.
But not having a working handbrake is far too often the cause of the 'horribly wrong' bit.

But on the states and Oz they don't have hand brakes, just the park lock..

 

[PSQ]

But on the states and Oz they don't have hand brakes, just the park lock..

They're not part of the EU...

("But neither are we")

 

[beltbreaker]

Neither are we now fair point though, needed something to be mad at today as it was going too well

 

[davidroberts30]

Neither are we now fair point though, needed something to be mad at today as it was going too well

Just be happy in the thought that when your footbrakes fail you can rely on your recently fixed hand brake as you cant slam it into park....

 

[deleted user 837354]

I wouldn't use the EU or the USA as examples of safety standards we should follow...

 

[mf7480]

On all the later Deere’s the handbrake doesn’t even have a button to keep it on, it’s an emergency brake, not a handbrake

 

[ACEngineering]

We had our LOLER a few weeks ago and "inspector" failed our loader as the handbrake doesn't work. It's never worked since the day we bought it 2nd hand 5 years ago and has been checked annually.

It's a JD6630 and I have never in almost 30 years of driving 6000series Deere used the handbrake in anger as we use the park lock all the time. Looks like I will have to get it fixed or I won't be insured.

I am normally supportive of LOLER but this is boiling my pee. Also why do some NFU offices ask for a LOLER and others don't. I am wondering if there is a difference in price.. Somehow I would think if you do LOLER you pay more which seems obtuse.

Sadly I can see these certificates becoming a fact of life for everyone.

Rant over, cheers BB

Lola has been a fact of life for all lifting equipment for many years already so its nothing new.

Handbrake isn't actually part of the lola test anyway as lola is specifically for the lifting aspect of a machine or device.

At the same time as the lola test they will have done a PUWER inspection which covers the VERY basics of a machine and IMO a pass is in no way an indication of how good a mechanical condition a agri machine is IMO.

 

[Richy12]

Anyone wonder why farm health and safety is so bad when someone complains they were found out the handbrake doesn't work!

Here's a daily inspection of telehandler/forklift, try adapting that for a tractor/loader and implementing it. It might save a life...

 

[Richy12]

Lola has been a fact of life for all lifting equipment for many years already so its nothing new.

Handbrake isn't actually part of the lola test anyway as lola is specifically for the lifting aspect of a machine or device.

At the same time as the lola test they will have done a PUWER inspection which covers the VERY basics of a machine and IMO a pass is in no way an indication of how good a mechanical condition a agri machine is IMO.

Aren't brakes the very basic?

 

[GeorgeK]

Anyone wonder why farm health and safety is so bad when someone complains they were found out the handbrake doesn't work!

Here's a daily inspection of telehandler/forklift, try adapting that for a tractor/loader and implementing it. It might save a life...

I'm confident we'd pass on the footsteps category. The others... how long does something have to be broken before it can be classed as not factory fitted therefore exempt?

 

[betweenthelines]

I'd just point out that there's a thread entitled "Sad Loss" referring to the death of a man in a farming accident.

Not strictly machinery related, but a reminder that accidents do happen, even to the best of us.

 

[Hilly]

My friend is a mechanic in a van , he won’t do Lola it can come back in you for 12 years or something he reckons anyone doing it is very brave , or ltd company just for Lola .

 

[betweenthelines]

If it doesn't need a handbrake, why has it got one?

 

[ACEngineering]

Aren't brakes the very basic?

Yes but wont be part of a Lola. Lola is for lifting parts only.

Brakes would come under the puwer inspection which will get done at same time as the lola.

 

[betweenthelines]

Anyone wonder why farm health and safety is so bad when someone complains they were found out the handbrake doesn't work!

Here's a daily inspection of telehandler/forklift, try adapting that for a tractor/loader and implementing it. It might save a life...

Lets be honest, most farmers and there staff wouldn't have a clue how to check most of the things on that list.

 

[Simon Chiles]

We had our LOLER a few weeks ago and "inspector" failed our loader as the handbrake doesn't work. It's never worked since the day we bought it 2nd hand 5 years ago and has been checked annually.

It's a JD6630 and I have never in almost 30 years of driving 6000series Deere used the handbrake in anger as we use the park lock all the time. Looks like I will have to get it fixed or I won't be insured.

I am normally supportive of LOLER but this is boiling my pee. Also why do some NFU offices ask for a LOLER and others don't. I am wondering if there is a difference in price.. Somehow I would think if you do LOLER you pay more which seems obtuse.

Sadly I can see these certificates becoming a fact of life for everyone.

Rant over, cheers BB

You don’t need a LOLER for a loader tractor unless it’s being used to lift people ( unless it’s been modified with anti burst valve it wouldn’t pass anyway) or it’s being used to load or hold equipment whilst people are walking or standing near it. Most farm tractor loaders wouldn’t require a LOLER , it’s written in black and white on the HSE website.

 

[ACEngineering]

You don’t need a LOLER for a loader tractor unless it’s being used to lift people ( unless it’s been modified with anti burst valve it wouldn’t pass anyway) or it’s being used to load or hold equipment whilst people are walking or standing near it. Most farm tractor loaders wouldn’t require a LOLER , it’s written in black and white on the HSE website.

Could be wrong and abit anal but it probably would require a puwer inspection as that seems to be required for everything if you sticking to the rule book!

 

[ACEngineering]

Lets be honest, most farmers and there staff wouldn't have a clue how to check most of the things on that list.

Most of the inspectors I've met wouldnt bloody know either imo