Looks like we may as well give up now

[its yourself]

temporary meaning interim , re read what i put, you misunderstood me to try and move the debate in your favour, next.

Interim, temporary, not permanent not used this century.

Lol.

 

[RobFZS]

It's you that wants it.

No one else at all does as far as I can grasp. They threaten it yes. But as Article 50 isn't anywhere in sight what else can they do.

i want a transitional deal that gives the country, which you are part of , the best deal possible that people voted for, talk about disillusion.

Hard brexit with no contact is cutting your nose off, but do quote me where i said this, you might be looking for a while, brb,.

 

[its yourself]

i want a transitional deal that gives the country, which you are part of , the best deal possible that people voted for, talk about disillusion.

Hard brexit with no contact is cutting your nose off, but do quote me where i said this, you might be looking for a while, brb,.

I've no idea what your position is other than arguing over word definitions. I think you might be anti EU tho?
And imaginary Turks foreigners rules etc?

 

[Ashtree]

i want a transitional deal that gives the country, which you are part of , the best deal possible that people voted for, talk about disillusion.

Hard brexit with no contact is cutting your nose off, but do quote me where i said this, you might be looking for a while, brb,.

But you constantly make the same mistake of looking at Brexit wholey from your British perspective.
Yes, a transitional deal makes sense on one level for both UK and EU.
However, if UK gets a good transitional deal, other countries might get emboldened to also strike out on their own and seek a similar deal to ease the path.
Therefore Merkel would probably think that EU suffering some short to medium term pain in a hard Brexit would in the long term be a necessary expense to make it more difficult if not impossible for others to jump ship.
EU / Euro benefits Germany greatly over time. Merkel unlike Cameron will not make big decisions based on short term thinking or internal party politics. She is far more statesman like and will look to the long term good of Germany.
Next election for her is her is her last one. If she wins and is chancellor again she will look to the long term and will not allow deals which will encourage individualism and populism.

 

[Muddyboots]

What a load of ruddy nonsense. You cannot go around blaming the EU fore every logical, stupid or greedy decision made by company directors or shareholders.

So you think it is ok for the EU to give loans/grants for factories/ businesses to relocate outside Britain?

 

[RobFZS]

I've no idea what your position is other than arguing over word definitions. I think you might be anti EU tho?
And imaginary Turks foreigners rules etc?

Show's just how much you pay attention.

 

[RobFZS]

But you constantly make the same mistake of looking at Brexit wholey from your British perspective.
Yes, a transitional deal makes sense on one level for both UK and EU.
However, if UK gets a good transitional deal, other countries might get emboldened to also strike out on their own and seek a similar deal to ease the path.
Therefore Merkel would probably think that EU suffering some short to medium term pain in a hard Brexit would in the long term be a necessary expense to make it more difficult if not impossible for others to jump ship.
EU / Euro benefits Germany greatly over time. Merkel unlike Cameron will not make big decisions based on short term thinking or internal party politics. She is far more statesman like and will look to the long term good of Germany.
Next election for her is her is her last one. If she wins and is chancellor again she will look to the long term and will not allow deals which will encourage individualism and populism.

Mark Carney suggests otherwise, the guy you lot said we should listen to.

Your final comment suggest why we left, who wants to be part of a cult that wont let it's members leave.

But this is all talk, the treaty say's
Article 8
1. The Union shall develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation.

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/th...ts/title-1-common-provisions/6-article-8.html

So the eu is either going to follow it's own rules, or they're going to be made up on the spot, and in that case, anything goes.

I did wonder where you had gone, hoped you hadn't of disappeared, you're much more worthy of debate than the other guy who is only interested in brexit going wrong so the Snp has a reason to call another referendum.

Also bare in mind, if Mrs Merkel was to do such a thing, it would indeed cause great anger amongst moderates here and possible right across the rest of the EU, so called populism, is not going away just by punishing the Brits.

 

[its yourself]

Founded on the values of the Union.

e.g. The four freedoms.

Values you comprehensively reject.

 

[RobFZS]

Founded on the values of the Union.

e.g. The four freedoms.

Values you comprehensively reject.

What, when in the EEA interim that they can't stop us going in to?

 

[RobFZS]

THE VALUES OF THE UNION

The Union is founded on the values of respect for human dignity, liberty, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities. These values, which are set out in Article I-2, are common to the Member States. Moreover, the societies of the Member States are characterised by pluralism, non-discrimination, tolerance, justice, solidarity and equality between women and men. These values play an important role, especially in two specific cases. Firstly, under the procedure for accession set out in Article I-58, any European State wishing to become a member of the Union must respect these values in order to be considered eligible for admission. Secondly, failure by a Member State to respect these values may lead to the suspension of that Member State's rights deriving from membership of the Union (Article I-59).

In comparison with the existing Treaties, the Constitution has included new values, notably human dignity, equality, the rights of minorities and the characterization of the values upheld by the societies of the Member States.

Hmm, i think we're going to be alright in respect of Article 8, unless we start going back on the democratic vote of the people....

 

[its yourself]

What, when in the EEA interim that they can't stop us going in to?

The interim you said you didn't want?

The interim with payment into the EU?

The interim with full free movement of people?

The interim with the EEA court that exactly matches the EU court judgements?

That interim?

 

[RobFZS]

The interim you said you didn't want?

The interim with payment into the EU?

The interim with full free movement of people?

The interim with the EEA court that exactly matches the EU court judgements?

That interim?

Yes that exact one, how else will we leave the EU, and get our regulatory operations in process, sort out 40 years of entanglement with the EU??!?! once everything is dealt with, then we can get on with leaving properly.

Not like the simpletons from the SNP who think centuries of a union can be changed at the strike of a pen, going by the white paper.

 

[RobFZS]

Inb4 we never heard any of this by vote leave

They never had a chance.

 

[its yourself]

Yes that exact one, how else will we leave the EU, and get our regulatory operations in process, sort out 40 years of entanglement with the EU??!?! once everything is dealt with, then we can get on with leaving properly.

Not like the simpletons from the SNP who think centuries of a union can be changed at the strike of a pen, going by the white paper.

So now you're backing Remain.

Lol.

 

[RobFZS]

So now you're backing Remain.

Lol.

What, by leaving the EU? i assume you do not know what 'interim' means then .

Remainers want to stay in the EEA for good and hope they can find their way back in to the EU one day, it ain't going to happen.

 

[RobFZS]

Here, if your brain will allow you to see opposing idea's

12 months behind, but you might learn something, fairly sure i've posted it numerous times...

 

[JohnGalway]

Have a good read about the collapse of the italian banks,no mention of the savers losing 40%of the money,the bbc needs disbaning for its bias reporting on europe,i dont want to be a part of an exercise that is failing its people

I can't remember all of the stories on here about collapsing the EU/Euro, there was Greece of course, then there was France, and Spain, then there was Brexit, and now we have Italy.

Would ye pick one, because it's all getting rather confusing.

Paper never refused ink.

 

[its yourself]

Oh no not Booker again.

Life's far too short.

Isn't he busy saying May and leave are crackers now anyway?

Make up your mind first you were out now you're in.

No wonder I said earlier I had no clue what you want, you don't either.

 

[RobFZS]

Oh no not Booker again.

Life's far too short.

Isn't he busy saying May and leave are crackers now anyway?

Make up your mind first you were out now you're in.

No wonder I said earlier I had no clue what you want, you don't either.

Been telling you for 12 months, and posted flexcit many times, ignorance is not an excuse.

if you can't comprehend what a interim deal means, then you better hang your keyboard up.


i dunno how you must have missed it, very odd.

Although you let the mask slip earlier on what it means, it means we will leave at a reasonable pace with no massive economic implications, which the SNp is banking on to make a case for independence, your cover has been blown.

 

[its yourself]

Been telling you for 12 months, and posted flexcit many times, ignorance is not an excuse.

if you can't comprehend what a interim deal means, then you better hang your keyboard up.


i dunno how you must have missed it, very odd.

Although you let the mask slip earlier on what it means, it means we will leave at a reasonable pace with no massive economic implications, which the SNp is banking on to make a case for independence, your cover has been blown.

As I said earlier you now back Remain.

May and Hammond threaten WTO rules today and you deny it.

Shambolic.