Looming food crisis,what can uk ag industry do?

[DaveGrohl]

Some of the comments are unreal

Well yes. It’s comical.

 

[DaveGrohl]

Ag inflation according to Anglia Farmers spokesman on radio this morning stated ag input inflation was 26% not the 7% the Gov loves to bandy about

I’d love to see their workings.

26% my rrse.

 

[JP1]

I’d love to see their workings.

26% my rrse.

I suppose if you're buying fuel, fertiliser, timber, plastics, feed cereals, steel buildings, readymix you'd probably see more than 7% .........

 

[DaveGrohl]

There’s a few saying produce less, and in some ways I agree in principle, but would producing less not just give the powers that be more excuse to import stuff?

Prices everywhere in the world are rapidly shooting up. So the imported stuff can be bought but it’ll be bloody expensive too because there’s less being produced everywhere.

 

[DaveGrohl]

I suppose if you're buying fuel, fertiliser, timber, plastics, feed cereals, steel buildings, readymix you'd probably see more than 7% .........

Well yes, it was the 26% figure I found comical. It’s waaay more than that in my reality.

 

[glasshouse]

They cant be that naïve to the looming lack of food surely?!

Naive on steroids
Dominic raab didnt even know calais was a port

 

[JP1]

Well yes, it was the 26% figure I found comical. It’s waaay more than that in my reality.

On the overall average (and of course it depends on the base timelines) , I reckon it's credible . We as a Company haven't lifted prices except when we are passing some of the raw material prices on. Pre Ukraine, timber prices were coming back

 

[JP1]

Naive on steroids
Dominic raab didnt even know calais was a port

Ann Marie Trevelyan doesn't even know when lamb is in season

 

[The Seeker]

Like it or not, as farmers we are presently underpinned by manufactured nitrogen fertilisers. Take that away and we are screwed big time, as is the country’s food supply.
Not a lot of people in government seem to appreciate that.

I have 1200 ewe in 550 acres and have not bought fert in 20 years , i said last year before the war that all farmers should slow production and effort and the price would rise in 24 hrs but the media and gov would tell us that everyone else was still at full production and we will be left behind an Mug us into working for free again. Funk it

 

[glasshouse]

War Agricultural Executive Committee - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wheat area was 0.5 million ha in 1935 and 1.5m ha in 1945

 

[Hjcarter]

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...re-up-supply-soyoil-futures-surge-2022-04-22/

Oh well, bang goes the idea of importing it all then....

 

[Cowabunga]

There’s a few saying produce less, and in some ways I agree in principle, but would producing less not just give the powers that be more excuse to import stuff?

Depends on whether stuff was available.
They have been going down the road of running down UK agriculture in favour of imported food and, in fact that policy direction is current and there is no sign that it is going to change. This is mostly relevant to livestock farmers of course, not arable of any sort, although the way arable farmers work is under significant and increasing regulatory pressure for the same lunatic-fringe reasons.

 

[Cowabunga]

Only the haberbosch process is where most of farming's carbon footprint lies.

Agree with the rest, except that soils and biology will fix their own nitrogen if you give them a chance.

The actual contribution of N from various sources including legumes to crop yields is very well known indeed and has been comprehensively researched certainly since the 1950’s on Experimental Husbandry Farms and other research centres and plant breeding specialist units.

The truth is very far from what you imply. There is a massive response from most crops to added nitrogen fertiliser. There is no getting away from it. Plenty of farms do produce without it but they produce much less food per acre per annum than equivalently managed farms that do apply fertilisers as per the latest AHDB RB209 Nutrient Management Guide. This even gives you the expected yields for different application rates for soils with differing available nutrient status.

 

[Cowabunga]

Prices everywhere in the world are rapidly shooting up. So the imported stuff can be bought but it’ll be bloody expensive too because there’s less being produced everywhere.

Actually there are an increasing number of countries applying export bans or restriction or taxes on their exports of cereals and meat. This is likely to gain substantial momentum as this year progresses.

 

[glasshouse]

The actual contribution of N from various sources including legumes to crop yields is very well known indeed and has been comprehensively researched certainly since the 1950’s on Experimental Husbandry Farms and other research centres and plant breeding specialist units.

The truth is very far from what you imply. There is a massive response from most crops to added nitrogen fertiliser. There is no getting away from it. Plenty of farms do produce without it but they produce much less food per acre per annum than equivalently managed farms that do apply fertilisers as per the latest AHDB RB209 Nutrient Management Guide. This even gives you the expected yields for different application rates for soils with differing available nutrient status.

Yes
Organic yields are roughly half

 

[DaveGrohl]

Actually there are an increasing number of countries applying export bans or restriction or taxes on their exports of cereals and meat. This is likely to gain substantial momentum as this year progresses.

Well quite. I keep saying we aren’t feeling this properly yet. It will take months.

 

[JeepJeep]

Nesbitt Cooking courses for starters.... Leg of Lamb last weekend did 9 meals..... 2 Roasts and a Tikka for 3

Cabbage did 4 meals for 3......

Spur of the moment purchase... It was NZ where it should be Welsh/Scottish but a smidge under £14

People can't cook...... That's the biggest dilemma.

 

[Pilatus]

Well quite. I keep saying we aren’t feeling this properly yet. It will take months.

Will it be early 2023 when shortages start to be really noticed as , the world harvests of combinable crops 2022 will have been cut, and 2023 combinable crop harvest will be beginning in some areas of the global village ?

 

[som farmer]

There’s a few saying produce less, and in some ways I agree in principle, but would producing less not just give the powers that be more excuse to import stuff?

where from ? Global food stocks are well down, which mean prices everywhere are up, get a nice juicy bad weather event, and watch prices take off.
If anyone thinks l am a hard nosed ###### for my views, its exactly what the big retailers have done to us, for years.

 

[som farmer]

Having read your reply it’s clear that you actually agree with me. So I’m puzzled why you typed disagree.

cut production, but we are on the same wave length,