Lorry Insurance

[arcobob]

Yeah I've had two rear failures both during the summer when exhibiting at vintage rallies, the first as you say had a rock trapped between the tyres and blew out travelling along the road on the o/s/r, couple of years later on the same side while parked up at the rally field (having been parked for over 40 hrs) suffered a blow out on the o/s/r again my poor friends in the next door caravan got a fright as they were sitting outside enjoying a cup of tea in the sunshine (tea went everywhere as you can imagine) the blow out split a huge chunk out of the brake hub.

Were they as a result of damage by the same rock letting water into the steel braces on the adjacent tyre causing rusting and delayed failure? The worst damage on modern trucks is usually fronts blowing the air filter housing to pieces.

 

[Not so smart by nature]

Were they as a result of damage by the same rock letting water into the steel braces on the adjacent tyre causing rusting and delayed failure? The worst damage on modern trucks is usually fronts blowing the air filter housing to pieces.

May well have been that was a few years ago now so couldn’t be certain if one of tyres from the first incident was still on during the second incident but probably was, in regards to the air box, that would be certainly true of my Atego II 815 and it’s a big plastic lump.

 

[arcobob]

May well have been that was a few years ago now so couldn’t be certain if one of tyres from the first incident was still on during the second incident but probably was, in regards to the air box, that would be certainly true of my Atego II 815 and it’s a big plastic lump.

I think the basic design is the same on most trucks built in the last 20 years. No large space around the engine so stick it behind the front wheel arch. Manufacturers don`t give a stuff and what is the significance of a £200 bill for a lump of plastic on a money earning vehicle ? The fact remains that hobby users provide a ready market for polluting vehicles that can`t venture into cities and are a part of the "food chain" that should be given more respect.

 

[tcn ploughman]

I was advised of this change in 2019 when I tool my lorry for a test at that time, if used commercially and tyres fitted anywhere even rear and duelled and were over ten years old the business would get a call where you had to explain your tyre monitoring policy and would be required to replace them no doubt but as mine is Private HGV the examiner wasn't sure what would happen to be frank nothing did but you still have to keep an eye on your tyres for issues and cracking etc. and replace when necessary, wan't even mentioned at the MOT in 2020, I will have to have a better read of this article all the same.

Had my 7.5 ton MAN tested today private use only past no problem but the advisory was 5 of the tyres were over 10 yrs old. If I had taken it on Monday 1st February I would have had a prohibition notice slapped on as the rules change on Monday. I will need new tyres before next test, one of the tyres was purchased new 3 years ago was made in 2007 a bit naughty of the tyre company. So if you need new tyres check what date they were made or you could get caught out. Hope this is useful.

 

[Cordiale]

Had my 7.5 ton MAN tested today private use only past no problem but the advisory was 5 of the tyres were over 10 yrs old. If I had taken it on Monday 1st February I would have had a prohibition notice slapped on as the rules change on Monday. I will need new tyres before next test, one of the tyres was purchased new 3 years ago was made in 2007 a bit naughty of the tyre company. So if you need new tyres check what date they were made or you could get caught out. Hope this is useful.

Is it all tyres on the vehicle, or just the front axle?

 

[tcn ploughman]

Is it all tyres on the vehicle, or just the front axle?

It's all tyres I don't know where you can find the date

 

[Tonym]

DVLA website.Front of lorry's buses and coaches all wheels of minibus. Tyres must have a date stamp or fail.

 

[Cordiale]

DVLA website.Front of lorry's buses and coaches all wheels of minibus. Tyres must have a date stamp or fail.

So, am I right in thinking, the steering axle must have tyres no older than 10 years, but the rear axle can have older than 10 years provided that the date stamp is readable?

 

[roscoe erf]

The link says "the front steered axles of HGVs, buses, coaches or all single wheels fitted to a minibus (9 to 16 passenger seats)."

correct as usual too much misinformation

 

[roscoe erf]

It's all tyres I don't know where you can find the date

just the front

 

[roscoe erf]

So, am I right in thinking, the steering axle must have tyres no older than 10 years, but the rear axle can have older than 10 years provided that the date stamp is readable?

correct unless its a mini bus

 

[roscoe erf]

Tyres over 10 years old on heavy vehicles to be banned from February 2021

Earlier this year, the Government announced that tyres aged over 10 years will be banned on the front axles of lorries, buses, coaches and all single wheels of minibuses (9 to 16 passenger seats). The legislation takes effect on 1 February 2021. We will be enforcing the legislation at roadside checks along with the vehicle annual test. Find out about the full changes and what this will mean for your vehicles in our latest Moving On blog post.​

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

So, am I right in thinking, the steering axle must have tyres no older than 10 years, but the rear axle can have older than 10 years provided that the date stamp is readable?

Yes the date code is 4 letters, first 2 are the week number, and last 2 are the year,
Example , (0811), will just be in date now, as was made on week 8, towards the end of February 2011, but by March it will be out of date,
Be careful with rear tyres, although there is not a law yet on there age, the date code has to be readable, so if twins on the back, and date code is in the middle they could fail,
Same thing can apply to spares, if its a steer tyre, a date code must be visible and in date, most now don't carry a spare for this reason for H&S,
Also if you fit your spare, on the rear, and you get pulled by dvsa ( old visa) because its a steer, it will have date code on inside of the twins, and will mean it will be not allowed to leave their site until its sorted or low loadered away, and getting tyres fitted at dvsa site, means a premium cost from tyre firm

 

[Cordiale]

As we aren't commercial users. Most of us probably doing 10K or less a year, shouldn't we be allowed a derogation like the 40 year old trucks? Can't see why we are any different really.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

I understand what you are saying, but no one is forcing you to run a lorry,

 

[itsalwaysme]

Yes the date code is 4 letters, first 2 are the week number, and last 2 are the year,
Example , (0811), will just be in date now, as was made on week 8, towards the end of February 2011, but by March it will be out of date,
Be careful with rear tyres, although there is not a law yet on there age, the date code has to be readable, so if twins on the back, and date code is in the middle they could fail,
Same thing can apply to spares, if its a steer tyre, a date code must be visible and in date, most now don't carry a spare for this reason for H&S,
Also if you fit your spare, on the rear, and you get pulled by dvsa ( old visa) because its a steer, it will have date code on inside of the twins, and will mean it will be not allowed to leave their site until its sorted or low loadered away, and getting tyres fitted at dvsa site, means a premium cost from tyre firm

Can't see any mention about spares, and it just says date codes not being readable on rear tyres would be an advisory
Need to have the manufactures stamping both sides of the tyres clearly now, a scuffed sidewall would be a failure if the code not readable on the outside

 

[roscoe erf]

Can't see any mention about spares, and it just says date codes not being readable on rear tyres would be an advisory
Need to have the manufactures stamping both sides of the tyres clearly now, a scuffed sidewall would be a failure if the code not readable on the outside

there is no testing of spares

 

[puntabrava]

As we aren't commercial users. Most of us probably doing 10K or less a year, shouldn't we be allowed a derogation like the 40 year old trucks? Can't see why we are any different really.

There should be no derogations full stop.
They have rushed this through without proper thought.
My lorrys are rear steer as well as front but they don’t matter it seems.

 

[roscoe erf]

There should be no derogations full stop.
They have rushed this through without proper thought.
My lorrys are rear steer as well as front but they don’t matter it seems.

well your unlikely to lose control when that blows as have mine in the past same with drive and trailer tyres this all came from a bus that had a front blow out and rolled killing some passengers

 

[puntabrava]

well your unlikely to lose control when that blows as have mine in the past same with drive and trailer tyres this all came from a bus that had a front blow out and rolled killing some passengers

Also an x horse box converted to a camper van went through the crash barrier on M5.
The old stuff trundling out to a Sunday event in July is more likely to suffer tyre failure than a lorry in full time use and eating two sets of tyres a year.