Low disturbance subsoiler?

[moretimeforgolf]

Is there any need for a low disturbance subsoiler in a no-till situation?

I have a 'high' disturbance machine which I rarely use because it then requires further cultivation to level off afterwards. The reason for the question is that I've applied for a grant under the latest scheme - £2804 towards a grassland sward lifter. As I still need approximately £10k to fund a 3m machine, I'm wondering whether to bother. Is the whole job just 'recreational'? ... and an expensive waste of diesel?

What's the general consensus?

 

[stroller]

I've had to resort to subsoiling/ ripper tines, the result of 2 winters of torrential rain, a 3m dd with 560×22.5 tyres compacting the top 3 inches, muck spreading and bale moving.

 

[SilliamWhale]

sumo gls.

But I only use it on headlands/ muck ground etc

 

[moretimeforgolf]

How about after a grass ley which has had a fair bit of traffic… and sheep?

 

[alomy75]

Is there any need for a low disturbance subsoiler in a no-till situation?

I have a 'high' disturbance machine which I rarely use because it then requires further cultivation to level off afterwards. The reason for the question is that I've applied for a grant under the latest scheme - £2804 towards a grassland sward lifter. As I still need approximately £10k to fund a 3m machine, I'm wondering whether to bother. Is the whole job just 'recreational'? ... and an expensive waste of diesel?

What's the general consensus?

That’s precisely what I’m doing. Certainly while I’m in the early days of DD I have some land that goes sad and will need lifting. Plan is to do second cereal land (all of) and just headlands of the 1st cereal land. Used a workshop made one last year on headlands only of ex beans land and have now got them looking as good as the field itself (they looked a bit naff last year) got a flatliner with Simba LD points for serious compaction and made a provisional verbal order on a Tillso Advantage; just waiting for tech grant (emailed them today; they can’t advise when we will know).

 

[Hard Graft]

Erth pan buster

 

[le bon paysan]

Pictures from France page 19 post 373.
My way Erth and drill.

 

[SilliamWhale]

How about after a grass ley which has had a fair bit of traffic… and sheep?

I don't tend to.

Dig some holes. But honestly I don't believe a lot of the compaction stuff.

 

[Wombat]

We put some Metcalf NG legs in last year and went through everything after a couple of winters of getting not a lot drilled we just decided it would be worth it. Going forward we might just do bits but I would say what we did this autumn was definitely worth it. Water makes water as they say and it was noticeable how hard it pulled through any wetter holes at 12”

 

[Robert K]

Look at a weaving LD subsoiler

 

[tr250]

How about after a grass ley which has had a fair bit of traffic… and sheep?

I hired one once and it was a disaster in this scenario but it was in September it was rock hard and brought up lumps the size of footballs.

 

[Devon James]

Prevention is better than cure, but sometimes damage can't be avoided? And a quick repair to bring up crop performance and make the best return will pay? Have fields here that have only had the drill for 14 years now, tramlines in the same place, wide rotation etc. Then others that need a lift once in a while, or the odd headland.
I will be biased as just starting selling them but the Grange GLL is a nice machine with the frame design etc coming from the 6 metre so plenty of strength.

 

[stroller]

Prevention is better than cure, but sometimes damage can't be avoided? And a quick repair to bring up crop performance and make the best return will pay? Have fields here that have only had the drill for 14 years now, tramlines in the same place, wide rotation etc. Then others that need a lift once in a while, or the odd headland.
I will be biased as just starting selling them but the Grange GLL is a nice machine with the frame design etc coming from the 6 metre so plenty of strength.

How much is the 3m version?

 

[alomy75]

I’ve just been pricing up the options; they’re all pretty much 13-17k for 3m

 

[Jerry]

Still very pleased with my heva stealth

Does a very good, only down side is the current cost of points though I’m talking to someone who should help that issue.

 

[Bob lincs]

I’ve just been pricing up the options; they’re all pretty much 13-17k for 3m

Why not get your mate with his LD equipped V Form to come over for a couple of ( 100 ac ) days 13-17k would get quite a lot done !!!

 

[alomy75]

Why not get your mate with his LD equipped V Form to come over for a couple of ( 100 ac ) days 13-17k would get quite a lot done !!!

I’m still waiting for him to cut my hedge!

 

[britt]

Wheat, rape and linseed (all notill) all doing well here with no subsoiling since we stopped using it to plant rape in 2006.
The problem is spring beans which start ok then just don't grow away like others. I'm thinking of subsoiling in autumn before, but the Shakearator will leave the ground too rough and a low disturbance leg would be better. What low disturbance legs are available to fit a Shakearator?

 

[alomy75]

Wheat, rape and linseed (all notill) all doing well here with no subsoiling since we stopped using it to plant rape in 2006.
The problem is spring beans which start ok then just don't grow away like others. I'm thinking of subsoiling in autumn before, but the Shakearator will leave the ground too rough and a low disturbance leg would be better. What low disturbance legs are available to fit a Shakearator?

I’m pretty sure Tillso do an off-the-shelf whole leg assembly for a shakeaerator

 

[sisal]

I’m pretty sure Tillso do an off-the-shelf whole leg assembly for a shakeaerator

We run our shakerator without the shins on the legs which leaves a much better finish as you don’t get the sideways shatter only the upward lift which then goes back down level. I assume you have a good packer.