Roger Perry
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I think it will pay more over time but in those first few years you are expected to work big hours per week for a modest salary.
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I think it will pay more over time but in those first few years you are expected to work big hours per week for a modest salary.
caveman
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- East Sussex.
We supposedly had a shortage of doctors, so, dick head Blair put them on super renumeration to encourage more into the profession.
Now we have a shortage, because many, many of them, are working part time and creaming it in.
Money.
The root of all evil.
Now we have a shortage, because many, many of them, are working part time and creaming it in.
Money.
The root of all evil.
ollie989898
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Blair was throwing 6% or something extra funding at the NHS for a long time I believe. If you look at public sector recruitment over the Blair years it will scare you to death. Now the pension liabilities of that lot will be a big cost to the country for a long long time.
I think a lot of doctors and nurses are basically leaving the profession or working privately. Nurses, in particular, are short because they can work in care homes or botox clinics for big money (£25/hour plus). The government has also, in it's wisdom, done away with the nursing bursary. Who the heck is going to want to stump up 36,000 in tuition fees to work as a nurse in the NHS?
Numbers of students applying to study medicine are falling as are the number of graduates who enter the 2 NHS foundation years. I presume they either go abroad or get pinched by big pharma.
Dentistry of course, is all the rage because of the work/life balance.
ollie989898
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Yeah right, and then get sued to fudge in such a litigious country.
As for private healthcare, I don't think it is worth a fudge in all honesty.
Frankzy
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I wonder where you got this from as it has never been the case, interestingly the US has a noticeably higher rate..
We are very much middle of the road in this area which considering that we get anywhere from 8 to 0 hours of daylight during the winter months is a fairly good result if you ask me...
Roger Perry
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Choose your doctor, chose your hospital, pick the best for your treatment ...........yea its' awful.
Have you been around true private healthcare, not the pick and chose type you have in UK.
ollie989898
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You can choose your doctor, treatment and hospital in the UK if you so wish. You are not obliged to do anything you do not wish to.
I actually have private health insurance too but the experiences of private medicine reported to me by several people I have met in my travels have put me in two minds about it in all honesty.
I have not personally found any cause for complaint with the NHS so far but I know people who have. I think this may be area dependant however, I cannot speak as to the quality of care available in the whole country.
Having spent much time in communications with American doctors and healthcare professionals I can tell you I would not swap what we have here for the American system. People in the UK do not sit at home deterred from seeking even basic medical care because the potential cost of it puts them off. This happens in the US routinely. Kids from poor families or disadvantaged areas running around with cleft lip or palettes for years because their parents cant afford healthcare does not happen in the UK. Children (and their mother) have their health checked whilst they are still in utero here. Women are screened and vaccinated before they give birth. They are offered a range of birthing facilities and options. Kids recieve antenatal check ups and vaccinations. Their physical and mental development is assessed early as is their sight and hearing giving maximum opportunity to correct any deficits ads necessary. Perfect the NHS may not be but its emphasis on maintaining a healthy and productive population is impressive.
America is a great place to live but woe betide anyone who gets long term sick or loses their job.
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Roger Perry
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Having been born / children lived in UK I understand how the system operates.
In the 2020 election debacle now ramping up, healthcare will be a major topic. Universal healthcare is touted by several would be candidates largely to the left of the democratic party, while medicare for all sounds commendable to many, when they conduct a poll on the subject fully 70-80% of those polled say no, they prefer to keep their own insurance.
The cost is projected at $3-$3.5 trillion dollars per year which in itself a scary number. Where will this extra money come from to pay for it..........
In the 2020 election debacle now ramping up, healthcare will be a major topic. Universal healthcare is touted by several would be candidates largely to the left of the democratic party, while medicare for all sounds commendable to many, when they conduct a poll on the subject fully 70-80% of those polled say no, they prefer to keep their own insurance.
The cost is projected at $3-$3.5 trillion dollars per year which in itself a scary number. Where will this extra money come from to pay for it..........
lazy farmer
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- som/dor border
None of the candidates has costed it yet .
One would think that the money saved from not having to pay insurance would pay for it. Especially given the monumental bureaucracy( even compared to the nhs) and the removal of the Need to make a profit.
Also trump just gave away over a trillion in a tax cut mainly for the rich. If you give money away as easily as that then........
Elizabeth Warren is a seriously impressive individual far better than anything we have in the UK.
One would think that the money saved from not having to pay insurance would pay for it. Especially given the monumental bureaucracy( even compared to the nhs) and the removal of the Need to make a profit.
Also trump just gave away over a trillion in a tax cut mainly for the rich. If you give money away as easily as that then........
Elizabeth Warren is a seriously impressive individual far better than anything we have in the UK.
ollie989898
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Nobody is obliged to give up health insurance just because national healthcare exists.
The money you describe is largely secondary- can you put a price on the large numbers of people who are living with conditions that could be treated or managed to the extent they can continue to live long and productive lives again? What cost to the economy is there of people with conditions that mean they cant work?
About the only people who could possibly complain about the implementation of an American NHS are health insurance providers- a monumentally huge industry in the USA.
Roger Perry
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If you are flat broke, no job, nothing, you fall under medicaid and will receive full treatment, that is the law.
You can argue that the cost of health insurance would be lower without this...........however, that's the way it operates, so mothers get taken care of, kids get their shots etc. This myth of no money no healthcare needs to end.
Roger Perry
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She is dynamic but too far to the left to really make headway, I guess we shall have to wait........
Biden is making a play for the top spot, but he has been in congress for 40 years and not made it..yet.
On the health thing, seems like the ones with health insurance don't want to give it up..........and you cannot force them to do so...right.
ollie989898
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I have no doubt what you say is true but I have read far too many reports from actual practicing American doctors about what goes on in the US. You will never find someone in the UK who is suffering from a health complaint made irretrievably worse by the fact they deliberately did not seek treatment solely because of financial concerns relating to the cost of treatment. Elderly women arriving in hospital in the USA at deaths door because of fungating breast cancers as they have avoided seeking medical assistance just would not happen in the UK. One of the core principles of all healthcare provision in the UK is that of equality and justice- all patients being treated equally irrespective of age or other factors.
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Apparently half a million US families go into bankruptcy each year due to medical costs they can't afford.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/this-is-the-real-reason-most-americans-file-for-bankruptcy.html
ollie989898
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I don't doubt it. I have read a lot of painful reports. I bet there aren't many doctors in the USA who have not paid the medical costs of at least one stranger out of their own pocket. A lot of them have.
£30 an hour
Johnnyboxer
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- Yorkshire
Shall we return to AGRICULTURE?
To be honest, i learn far more when the postings go off on a tangent, it's why i keep coming back.
d williams
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No the people who classified the land not just yours but plenty of others also need to answer questions as to why the system was so unfair
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I found this all very interesting. I have private healthcare which so far I have never had to use. I think the national health service is a fantastic thing however there has to be some middle ground. In order to avoid the overloading of services you have to charge something for using the service even a nominal charge would help. It's not free people pay for it in their taxes and national insurance contributions but unfortunately this isn't enough visit A&E on a friday night and see how many self inflicted cases are in front of you.