LP UK Plant Sales

[RR-Latvia]

How do the banks “control” a private bank account in Latvia?

I sympathise with your plight, but on the other hand I can tell you there would be rioting in the streets here if the banks started freezing accounts, inspecting and querying each and every deposit or withdrawal. The system couldn’t cope.

The unfortunate fact is that these cretins prey on the the honesty of most businesses and individuals. It is completely unrealistic to expect banks to somehow police all transactions going into and out of every single account they hold. It just wouldn’t be feasible.

Again apologies for your plight and wish you well and hopefully you’ll eventually get some justice.

How are the banks "controlled" in Latvia?

The principle is definitely similar. If the bank suspects, they should immediately contact the police and the account is frozen.

Of course, our amounts are small when compared to serious big deals, but here is not only one victim, but many.
The bank must understand that it is risking its reputation.

If the "control" authorities of the banks claim that their accounts are used for fraud or any other illegal affairs, then can be in a bad situation. The penalties are very high.

Perhaps a bank employee is involved and opened accounts, but this is already a police job.

I'll not get my money back, that's the fact,

 

[phillipe]

They pay a poor person to open an account for them use it abuse it close it ,easy really ,plenty of people will open you a account for a couple of hundred quid

 

[Goweresque]

They pay a poor person to open an account for them use it abuse it close it ,easy really ,plenty of people will open you a account for a couple of hundred quid

Yep, walk into the right (or perhaps more accurately wrong) sort of pub and you'd get plenty of takers to open a bank account for a few quid in cash and hand over all the details to you. Druggies, alkies, those in the twilight zone where the DSS and criminal justice system collide, all will sell their grandmothers for a bit of cash in hand, no questions asked.

 

[RR-Latvia]

Yep, walk into the right (or perhaps more accurately wrong) sort of pub and you'd get plenty of takers to open a bank account for a few quid in cash and hand over all the details to you. Druggies, alkies, those in the twilight zone where the DSS and criminal justice system collide, all will sell their grandmothers for a bit of cash in hand, no questions asked.

I agree!
The problem is still that banks focus on higher profits, but not what they have to do "Provide Secure Services with money".

Criminals choose those banks where it's easier to arrange everything.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Criminals choose those banks where it's easier to arrange everything.

But do they? An account is an account to them. The same account opening conditions exist for all high street banks here and its no easier or harder with HSBC, Lloyds, Natwest, Barclays, etc.

As said in the posts above, the criminals are neatly sidestepping any KYC procedures by using "mules" as said above

My experience with HSBC as a business and personal account holder with them, is that they do actually offer me some level of fraud prevention as their customer. I'm not going to write in a public forum what and how they did - but they did.

If however you are paying in to an account then you are not their customer - so to somehow expect that they should owe you a duty of care for your own foolhardiness is a bit of a stretch....surely your bank in Latvia should be warning you if you are certain you are transferring monies to a legit account.

 

[7610 super q]

I dunno..........whenever I've tried to open an account , I have to provide a passport, utility bills, and endure a right palaver.....

 

[Exfarmer]

I dunno..........whenever I've tried to open an account , I have to provide a passport, utility bills, and endure a right palaver.....

The whole point is they do not open accounts!
They borrow someone else’s, by various means. Commonly it will be some druggie or a student who expects to get a a couple of hundred quid for their trouble.
Their is lttle that can be done about it, they will just plead ignorance and at most get a small fine which they are unlikely to pay off.
A atudent a couple of years ago got sympathetic publicity when taken to court for this very offence, I believe he was let off with a warning. At the same time some poor sod lost several thousand pounds thanks to that students greed.

 

[RR-Latvia]

But do they? An account is an account to them. The same account opening conditions exist for all high street banks here and its no easier or harder with HSBC, Lloyds, Natwest, Barclays, etc.

As said in the posts above, the criminals are neatly sidestepping any KYC procedures by using "mules" as said above

My experience with HSBC as a business and personal account holder with them, is that they do actually offer me some level of fraud prevention as their customer. I'm not going to write in a public forum what and how they did - but they did.

If however you are paying in to an account then you are not their customer - so to somehow expect that they should owe you a duty of care for your own foolhardiness is a bit of a stretch....surely your bank in Latvia should be warning you if you are certain you are transferring monies to a legit account.

Banks also need to ensure that fraudsters do not make false accounts, etc.

Each bank has its own "security service" who follows what's going on. If there is some problems, then the bank should react.

This problem is international in every country.

P.S. Each of us must be careful!!!

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Banks also need to ensure that fraudsters do not make false accounts, etc.

Each bank has its own "security service" who follows what's going on. If there is some problems, then the bank should react.

This problem is international in every country.

P.S. Each of us must be careful!!!

Indeed, but I fear you are missing the point - the accounts are neither opened nor owned by the fraudsters. So as far as the bank is concerned they are legitimate accounts. The bank has undertaken their KYC (know your customer) legal checks when the accounts were opened.

If the customer who owns the account then decides to compromise the account by selling or allowing a (fraudulent) third party to have access to it then the bank can’t exactly be held in fault or responsible. Can it?

You can’t blame your lack of due diligence on the bank.

 

[Wmc]

Indeed, but I fear you are missing the point - the accounts are neither opened nor owned by the fraudsters. So as far as the bank is concerned they are legitimate accounts. The bank has undertaken their KYC (know your customer) legal checks when the accounts were opened.

If the customer who owns the account then decides to compromise the account by selling or allowing a (fraudulent) third party to have access to it then the bank can’t exactly be held in fault or responsible. Can it?

You can’t blame your lack of due diligence on the bank.

Hi all I am new to this !!
I almost got caught by lp uk plant sales .
I transferred the money for the kubota and
Machine never showed !! Luckily enough Ulster bank got my money back thank god!! That was before Xmas !! Just wanted to let you all know that they have now set up another site with some of the same machines the name of it is atsplantsales.com.!! Can not believe that this is happening to so many people !!best of luck all

 

[Wmc]

Hi all I am new to this !!
I almost got caught by lp uk plant sales .
I transferred the money for the kubota and
Machine never showed !! Luckily enough Ulster bank got my money back thank god!! That was before Xmas !! Just wanted to let you all know that they have now set up another site with some of the same machines the name of it is atsplantsales.com.!! Can not believe that this is happening to so many people !!best of luck all

Also forgot to mention that their new address is in omagh co Tyrone

 

[Goweresque]

Also forgot to mention that their new address is in omagh co Tyrone

For goodness sake, its not 'their new address' its the address of the company whose identity the fraudsters are stealing!!

 

[Wmc]

For goodness sake, its not 'their new address' its the address of the company whose identity the fraudsters are stealing!!

Thats what I ment to say !!

 

[james ds]

Also forgot to mention that their new address is in omagh co Tyrone

I just looked them up and they have great value , they must have a lot of property as every picture has a differant backround.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

I just looked them up and they have great value , they must have a lot of property as every picture has a differant backround.

Someone better tell Robbie and Gearoid their company ID has been hyjacked by some masked dudes from Panama, and innocent folk are no doubt busily getting themselves robbed (sorry willingly handing over their hard earned cash) in their names....

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/NI617305

Anyone alerted Action Fraud yet then?

 

[Civil Farmer]

Hi all I am new to this !!
I almost got caught by lp uk plant sales .
I transferred the money for the kubota and
Machine never showed !! Luckily enough Ulster bank got my money back thank god!! That was before Xmas !! Just wanted to let you all know that they have now set up another site with some of the same machines the name of it is atsplantsales.com.!! Can not believe that this is happening to so many people !!best of luck all

Hi
You were very lucky in getting your money back, can you tell me which bank you paid your money too as I am still trying to get my money back from Natwest through the First Trust Bank.
PS I have passed the info on the new scam to Treditor who did the feature in Classic Tracror magazine, hopefully no one will get caught by this new scam.

 

[stephenmargerison]

Well add me as well to the list of those who have been scammed. Lloyds bank singularly uninterested in chasing the money back. I have heard nothing from action fraud. Nat West who were running the fraudulent account are looking into it but probably no chance. I have name and address of person who registered the website in Cornwall. Interestingly a van advert for a Sprinter on Gum tree uses a similar language in its scam. I can provide details of this if anyone is investigating it. Not much more I can do. Website has now been pulled down.

Steve

Hi, can you tell me the date that you informed Natwest that there was a scam going on that concerned there bank ? many thanks,
Stephen
ps my loss was £5250 grrr

 

[Civil Farmer]

Hi, My payment was made on 28th November and the fraud detected 29th November so Natwest were notified by my bank on the 29th November 2017, the money had already been withdrawn in cash from Natwest. Can you supply me with details of your case? We need to buld up a case against Natwest for their negligence.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Hi, My payment was made on 28th November and the fraud detected 29th November so Natwest were notified by my bank on the 29th November 2017, the money had already been withdrawn in cash from Natwest. Can you supply me with details of your case? We need to buld up a case against Natwest for their negligence.

You guys are best exchanging details etc using private message (PM) or offline exchanging your email addresses as a group - I think there are at least a dozen affected folks.

There is no limit to the number of participants you can have in a PM ‘conversation’ on here and they are totally private.

Much better than doing it here in the wide open where the detail will be available for ever more.....

 

[stephenmargerison]

ok Thanks for that
Stephen