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stewart

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Horticulture
Location
Bay of Plenty NZ
You were saying people that age should not operate any heavy machinery and especially if under pressure.


My point was they were expected to fly spitfires at that age and that was pressure all right.
It is very easy for old folk to sit and whinge about what teenagers do but we have all been there, we should give them a break now and then. Not condoning reckless behaviour for one minute.
I learn from my kids all the time, give some credit to the younger generation, they’re not all dumb!
 
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Hard to comprehend isn’t it

Just a different era and national consciousness I guess. To think that young men were flying bombers nightly over Germany with the deliberate intention of killing as many people as they could merely because of their nationality is still something I struggle to understand today.
 

Ivorbiggun

Member
Location
Norfolk
we are a crowded island, should we enforce the 25 mph rule and the 31 tons weight, with a large tractrors being 8 or so tons or do we need more strict rules I wonder?
If you’ve got a 8 ton tractor your weight limit is 26.3 tons not 31.
The law is the load and trailer must not weigh more than 18.3 tons.
The only time you should get near 31 tons is if you’re using a 500 hp tractor.
The average 200 hp tractor weighs 9 tons give or take a bit. Gross weight with that would be 27.3 tons not 31.
 
I do think the law is antiquated with respect to agricultural weights and speeds, however. On the continent (and in Ireland?) they are allowed much faster/heavier outfits and we should be permitted to use them as well. A properly made and inspected outfit with decent running gear, coupling and driver will be far far safer at any speed or weight than Joe Farmer 2 Cows drawing 1100 gallons in a Ford 7000.

I have no issue with Fendts doing 65kph whilst pulling triaxle tankers but they should be properly designed (and maintained). I see no difference between these and one of the digester artics you see about in Somerset. Both were designed from the outset to do what they do.
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
I do think the law is antiquated with respect to agricultural weights and speeds, however. On the continent (and in Ireland?) they are allowed much faster/heavier outfits and we should be permitted to use them as well. A properly made and inspected outfit with decent running gear, coupling and driver will be far far safer at any speed or weight than Joe Farmer 2 Cows drawing 1100 gallons in a Ford 7000.

I have no issue with Fendts doing 65kph whilst pulling triaxle tankers but they should be properly designed (and maintained). I see no difference between these and one of the digester artics you see about in Somerset. Both were designed from the outset to do what they do.
so should some cars be allowed to do over 200mph on the road ? after all they were designed to go that fast
 
so should some cars be allowed to do over 200mph on the road ? after all they were designed to go that fast

Who suggested that?

There are Fendts pulling triaxle tankers on the continent perfectly legally and safely, though with increased levels of regulation. I can't see any difference between a Fendt an triaxle tanker all on air and the like running at 40 tonnes total or an articulated lorry pulling a triaxle tanker at 40 tonnes total? Is one intrinsically unsafe then?
 

Fendt516profi

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Yorkshire
If you’ve got a 8 ton tractor your weight limit is 26.3 tons not 31.
The law is the load and trailer must not weigh more than 18.29 tons.
The only time you should get near 31 tons is if you’re using a 500 hp tractor.
The average 200 hp tractor weighs 9 tons give or take a bit. Gross weight with that would be 27.3 tons not 31.
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Who suggested that?

There are Fendts pulling triaxle tankers on the continent perfectly legally and safely, though with increased levels of regulation. I can't see any difference between a Fendt an triaxle tanker all on air and the like running at 40 tonnes total or an articulated lorry pulling a triaxle tanker at 40 tonnes total? Is one intrinsically unsafe then?
I don't know
Who suggested that then ?
 

Ivorbiggun

Member
Location
Norfolk
It’s amazing how agriculture is allowed to get away with things, hgv’s have so many rules they have to abide by, hgv license, tacho rules, weight limits, vehicle maintenance records, mot’s etc etc the list goes on, yet a kid can jump in a tractor weighing as much as a lorry and can work day and night, with no max hours etc and stand as much chance of winning the lottery than being pulled by the police or Vosa.
About time we were brought in line with lorries.
 

Pennine Ploughing

Member
Mixed Farmer
Who suggested that?

There are Fendts pulling triaxle tankers on the continent perfectly legally and safely, though with increased levels of regulation. I can't see any difference between a Fendt an triaxle tanker all on air and the like running at 40 tonnes total or an articulated lorry pulling a triaxle tanker at 40 tonnes total? Is one intrinsically unsafe then?
Aye it would be ok,
also they should let HGVs off with the annual test or 6 weekly inspection so no fixing unless it's broke, let them run on red diesel and add blue deleted, driven on a car licence, no driver hours regulations so there can work 24/7 when busy, get rid of the driver cpc training crap, and give them free road tax for good measure, then get rid of DVSA check points and let them crack on, but make it mandatory to do away with blue tooth phones, so drivers have to hold the phone, after all we don't want them getting lazy,
Also if lorries from livestock areas could carry string, bale wrap, medical equipment and a claw hammer with a set of stilstons or self grips in the cab and not have a day off or time to wash the lorry, the lucky ones from arable areas be allowed to work only half the year with skiing and shooting be mandatory, and not starting to 9am, this gives the school run mum's a chance in a morning when they are late,
And here is an idea, pay the lorry drivers a lot less, around minimum wage, or better still take them on self employed only to save costs of holiday pay, sick pay, nee PPE to provide, and pay them when you fancy so no need to be regular
So it would be a free for all,
And go 1 step further along by making cyclist's and pedestrians free game just for sport, with a rack on the front for pedals and shoes to show your achievement of how many you have hit
After all lorries may not be feeding the world, but there certainly moving it,










Tin hat on, and head down in the bunker,
all said in jest, but could be true in some circumstances
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Aye it would be ok,
also they should let HGVs off with the annual test or 6 weekly inspection so no fixing unless it's broke, let them run on red diesel and add blue deleted, driven on a car licence, no driver hours regulations so there can work 24/7 when busy, get rid of the driver cpc training crap, and give them free road tax for good measure, then get rid of DVSA check points and let them crack on, but make it mandatory to do away with blue tooth phones, so drivers have to hold the phone, after all we don't want them getting lazy,
Also if lorries from livestock areas could carry string, bale wrap, medical equipment and a claw hammer with a set of stilstons or self grips in the cab and not have a day off or time to wash the lorry, the lucky ones from arable areas be allowed to work only half the year with skiing and shooting be mandatory, and not starting to 9am, this gives the school run mum's a chance in a morning when they are late,
And here is an idea, pay the lorry drivers a lot less, around minimum wage, or better still take them on self employed only to save costs of holiday pay, sick pay, nee PPE to provide, and pay them when you fancy so no need to be regular
So it would be a free for all,
And go 1 step further along by making cyclist's and pedestrians free game just for sport, with a rack on the front for pedals and shoes to show your achievement of how many you have hit
After all lorries may not be feeding the world, but there certainly moving it,










Tin hat on, and head down in the bunker,
all said in jest, but could be true in some circumstances
Sounds good, I am going back lorry driving
 

Ivorbiggun

Member
Location
Norfolk
Aye it would be ok,
also they should let HGVs off with the annual test or 6 weekly inspection so no fixing unless it's broke, let them run on red diesel and add blue deleted, driven on a car licence, no driver hours regulations so there can work 24/7 when busy, get rid of the driver cpc training crap, and give them free road tax for good measure, then get rid of DVSA check points and let them crack on, but make it mandatory to do away with blue tooth phones, so drivers have to hold the phone, after all we don't want them getting lazy,
Also if lorries from livestock areas could carry string, bale wrap, medical equipment and a claw hammer with a set of stilstons or self grips in the cab and not have a day off or time to wash the lorry, the lucky ones from arable areas be allowed to work only half the year with skiing and shooting be mandatory, and not starting to 9am, this gives the school run mum's a chance in a morning when they are late,
And here is an idea, pay the lorry drivers a lot less, around minimum wage, or better still take them on self employed only to save costs of holiday pay, sick pay, nee PPE to provide, and pay them when you fancy so no need to be regular
So it would be a free for all,
And go 1 step further along by making cyclist's and pedestrians free game just for sport, with a rack on the front for pedals and shoes to show your achievement of how many you have hit
After all lorries may not be feeding the world, but there certainly moving it,










Tin hat on, and head down in the bunker,
all said in jest, but could be true in some circumstances
Bloody brilliant mate, post of the decade.
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
I predict loads of threads on TFF in 5 years time then......" Why aren't there enough tractor drivers ? ".
I've been reading comments on FB from HGV drivers about the shortage of drivers. Crap pay is one issue, closely followed by young wannabies not wanting/ being able to afford / put up with all the tests /licences/ health checks / VOSA rules etc, etc.
Quite why some on here want to burden the industry with more needless nonsense is beyond me.
I've always said lorries for roads, tractors for fields, but listening to all this self righteous crap on these threads is getting tiresome.
 

Ivorbiggun

Member
Location
Norfolk
I predict loads of threads on TFF in 5 years time then......" Why aren't there enough tractor drivers ? ".
I've been reading comments on FB from HGV drivers about the shortage of drivers. Crap pay is one issue, closely followed by young wannabies not wanting/ being able to afford / put up with all the tests /licences/ health checks / VOSA rules etc, etc.
Quite why some on here want to burden the industry with more needless nonsense is beyond me.
I've always said lorries for roads, tractors for fields, but listening to all this self righteous crap on these threads is getting tiresome.
At the moment there isn’t a shortage of tractor drivers, but there is a shortage of good tractor drivers and that’s been going on for years. The problem is these days people want a life, their wife’s and children want to spend time with them.
Gone are the days when the wife stayed at home and did the housework etc, they want a life too. With so many farms trying to do it with so few workers nowadays it’s only going to get worse with more hours etc.
 
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TheTallGuy

Member
Location
Cambridgeshire
Aye it would be ok,
also they should let HGVs off with the annual test or 6 weekly inspection so no fixing unless it's broke, let them run on red diesel and add blue deleted, driven on a car licence, no driver hours regulations so there can work 24/7 when busy, get rid of the driver cpc training crap, and give them free road tax for good measure, then get rid of DVSA check points and let them crack on, but make it mandatory to do away with blue tooth phones, so drivers have to hold the phone, after all we don't want them getting lazy,
Also if lorries from livestock areas could carry string, bale wrap, medical equipment and a claw hammer with a set of stilstons or self grips in the cab and not have a day off or time to wash the lorry, the lucky ones from arable areas be allowed to work only half the year with skiing and shooting be mandatory, and not starting to 9am, this gives the school run mum's a chance in a morning when they are late,
And here is an idea, pay the lorry drivers a lot less, around minimum wage, or better still take them on self employed only to save costs of holiday pay, sick pay, nee PPE to provide, and pay them when you fancy so no need to be regular
So it would be a free for all,
And go 1 step further along by making cyclist's and pedestrians free game just for sport, with a rack on the front for pedals and shoes to show your achievement of how many you have hit
After all lorries may not be feeding the world, but there certainly moving it,










Tin hat on, and head down in the bunker,
all said in jest, but could be true in some circumstances
Absolutely, the reason that the haulage industry ended up so heavily regulated is because it couldn't be trusted, too-many operators were only interested making that last extra shilling... Farming could easily end up going that direction even without higher speeds & weights.
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Plenty of keen young tractor drivers, shortage of lorry drivers, pay for either isn't up to much. The difference is, it's easier to hop on a tractor and do a days work. Not saying it's right or wrong, but it's what happens when industries get over regulated. Things happen for a reason.
 

Ivorbiggun

Member
Location
Norfolk
Absolutely, the reason that the haulage industry ended up so heavily regulated is because it couldn't be trusted, too-many operators were only interested making that last extra shilling... Farming could easily end up going that direction even without higher speeds & weights.
Farmers are their own worst enimies.
How many will have used roundup in the last week or so,then when the forecast worsened combined it before the required harvest interval, then there’ll be outcry when they ban glyphosate.
If you can’t be sensible with these things they will take it away from you.
 

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