Lucky escape

Aye it would be ok,
also they should let HGVs off with the annual test or 6 weekly inspection so no fixing unless it's broke, let them run on red diesel and add blue deleted, driven on a car licence, no driver hours regulations so there can work 24/7 when busy, get rid of the driver cpc training crap, and give them free road tax for good measure, then get rid of DVSA check points and let them crack on, but make it mandatory to do away with blue tooth phones, so drivers have to hold the phone, after all we don't want them getting lazy,
Also if lorries from livestock areas could carry string, bale wrap, medical equipment and a claw hammer with a set of stilstons or self grips in the cab and not have a day off or time to wash the lorry, the lucky ones from arable areas be allowed to work only half the year with skiing and shooting be mandatory, and not starting to 9am, this gives the school run mum's a chance in a morning when they are late,
And here is an idea, pay the lorry drivers a lot less, around minimum wage, or better still take them on self employed only to save costs of holiday pay, sick pay, nee PPE to provide, and pay them when you fancy so no need to be regular
So it would be a free for all,
And go 1 step further along by making cyclist's and pedestrians free game just for sport, with a rack on the front for pedals and shoes to show your achievement of how many you have hit
After all lorries may not be feeding the world, but there certainly moving it,










Tin hat on, and head down in the bunker,
all said in jest, but could be true in some circumstances

I don't know what your complaint is. I'm saying tractors should be able to run at 40 tonnes and 65kph but it would need proper MOT tests and tests for the drivers as well.

The HGV world is borked, I'm not sure cherry or relaxing drivers hours would solve the issues.
 

cows sh#t me to tears

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Livestock Farmer
It’s amazing how agriculture is allowed to get away with things, hgv’s have so many rules they have to abide by, hgv license, tacho rules, weight limits, vehicle maintenance records, mot’s etc etc the list goes on, yet a kid can jump in a tractor weighing as much as a lorry and can work day and night, with no max hours etc and stand as much chance of winning the lottery than being pulled by the police or Vosa.
About time we were brought in line with lorries.
Or construction...... impossible to get away with on a building site.
 

Ivorbiggun

Member
Location
Norfolk
I still don't see the issue- tractors can run to 40 tonnes on the continent. They have better brakes, suspension and coupling equipment as well. Is a Fendt at 65kph unsafe then despite the fact it has commercial braking and the like?
The tractor isn’t unsafe, it’s the idiotic farmer who puts an unexperianced youngster behind the wheel.
most haulage company’s these days won’t employ anyone under 25 because their insurance company won’t insure them. But a farmer wouldn’t worry about that, as long as there’s a bum on the seat.
People are always complaining about how unsafe a stretch of road is, nothing wrong with the road at all, it’s the bloody stupid drivers.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
Who suggested that?

There are Fendts pulling triaxle tankers on the continent perfectly legally and safely, though with increased levels of regulation. I can't see any difference between a Fendt an triaxle tanker all on air and the like running at 40 tonnes total or an articulated lorry pulling a triaxle tanker at 40 tonnes total? Is one intrinsically unsafe then?
HGV's have a far stricter regime in terms of testing, inspection and driver training, certification and continued updating and hours of driving. Farming has none of the above, or would you rather we had tachographs, hour limits and breaks, inspection etc for tractors too?
 
Location
southwest
HGV's have a far stricter regime in terms of testing, inspection and driver training, certification and continued updating and hours of driving. Farming has none of the above, or would you rather we had tachographs, hour limits and breaks, inspection etc for tractors too?

Best thing farming can do is to ask for legislation that all agricultural tractors are limited to a top speed of 23mph. Easy to do as virtually every HGV in this Country is limited down to 56 mph (or less)

Not only would this reduced the number of accidents, it would also weed out the "need for speed" drivers, who we really shouldn't be tolerating anyway.
 

JCB_JCR

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
I still don't see the issue- tractors can run to 40 tonnes on the continent. They have better brakes, suspension and coupling equipment as well. Is a Fendt at 65kph unsafe then despite the fact it has commercial braking and the like?
The rear axle isn't suspended on a fendt hit a big pothole at 40mph and your not staying in the seat. Nearly knocked myself out on b pillar doing this at about 30mph in a fendt once (front axle and cab suspension). Fastrac on the other hand you would barely notice the pothole due to suspension on both axles.
There's a video on another thread someone posted recently of a nh during emergency braking tests bouncing in the air!
 

JCB_JCR

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
I wonder how many 'young tractor' drivers are told/trained in what the legal speed and weight limit is for what they are driving, what a safety check is, and that's unacceptable to be on the phone when on the road.

Or just told to jump on filler her right up and get on with it!
Hardly wonder stuff happens 🤷‍♂️
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
I still don't see the issue- tractors can run to 40 tonnes on the continent. They have better brakes, suspension and coupling equipment as well. Is a Fendt at 65kph unsafe then despite the fact it has commercial braking and the like?
don't matter what brakes you have if you havent pressed the peddle yet, reaction time is the same amout of time if your in an old tractor doing 18 mph or a fendt doing 40 mph but you will travil more than twice as far in the fendt before you even press the brakes, wouldnt mind saying that alot of the time an od tractor with a smaller load will stop in the distance you cover before you even press the brakes in the fendt
 
don't matter what brakes you have if you havent pressed the peddle yet, reaction time is the same amout of time if your in an old tractor doing 18 mph or a fendt doing 40 mph but you will travil more than twice as far in the fendt before you even press the brakes, wouldnt mind saying that alot of the time an od tractor with a smaller load will stop in the distance you cover before you even press the brakes in the fendt

Reaction times, wtf? So the driver of a typical HGV has better reaction times?
 

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