Lynx and wolves could return to England as rewilding task force set up by PM

[GeorgeC1]

When the apex pretaors have eaten all the deer, what controls the apex predators? Logic would seem to suggest we'll be replacing deer with wolves and lynx which, in the absence of natural prey, will move on to predate livestock.

the population would dwindle, the wolves won't eat all the deer, you're under the impression thousands of wolves will be all over the place, that's not the case, it'll be rather small numbers.

 

[topground]

Anyone with livestock potentially at risk from these urban ecologist idiots rewilding proposals should apply for a firearms certificate immediately for the highest calibration your land will accommodate.
No need to buy a gun yet but you have a control option if the apex predators impact on your business as we all know they will if this nonsense is allowed to be implemented..

 

[yellow belly]

Lynx and wolves could return to England as rewilding task force set up by PM

Honestly I think long term this would be a good thing, apex predators are vital for the ecosystem, Yellowstone national park was made vastly more healthy when they were reintroduced.


I do understand concerns from some livestock farmers about them potentially attacking livestock, that's a risk but ultimately pet dogs will still kill more sheep then wolves will be due to sheer numbers.

European Lynx have no recorded attacks on humans, wolves can help with population control of deer and boar.

Once the wolves Learn that sheep are easier prey than deer then they will leave the free to roam deer and pick off sheep
The deer round here are hard to get close enough to kill with a rifle
wolves would scare the walkers and kids away from the countryside
Dingoes in Australia take babies from campers in the bush

 

[GeorgeC1]

I think we should have a massive breeding and release program of wild boar in the UK. Brown bears, too.

There already are wild boar in the UK, in fact there's nothing to control there numbers unless humans get involved.

 

[SteveHants]

Many countries have them and Farm just fine, they secure there land to help prevent that sort of thing.

Our ecosystem is very unhealthy, there's nothing short of Humans intervening controlling the numbers of Deer, boar etc. they will cause more damage to farms then Wolves.

The deer and boar are not inedible, quite the reverse. People are short of food, foodbank use is increasing. Feeding these things to wolves is amoral whilst they could be eaten by hungry people.

 

[GeorgeC1]

If we have an unhealthy ecosystem, it's down to too many people - nothing else. Any other species would be culled if they had such an adverse effect on the environment. Look at the houses springing up everywhere, look at the litter dropped and fly tipped. There is one species responsible for the knackered ecosystem - and that's us!!

Humans wiped out most of the big mammals (especially Carnivores) in the UK.

 

[GeorgeC1]

These apex predators are not thick- they will eat whatever they can. Starting with, domestic livestock and probably folks cats and dogs as well.

By the time a few ramblers have been chased or savaged by one of these things they will realise reintroduction of long-lost species is a ridiculous idea.

You're way more likely to get attacked by stray dogs then wolves, wolves naturally are weary of humans.

There's been no recorded attacks on humans from European Lynx.

It's not a long lost species though it's only been a few hundred years.

 

[hoff135]

Just wait until the first ramblers lose their pet dog to a wolf pack and your Eco warriors will face the full wrath of the Daily Mail.

If it gets rid of dog walkers ill take 10 wolves right away

 

[GeorgeC1]

Once the wolves Learn that sheep are easier prey than deer then they will leave the free to roam deer and pick off sheep
The deer round here are hard to get close enough to kill with a rifle
wolves would scare the walkers and kids away from the countryside
Dingoes in Australia take babies from campers in the bush

you're under the impression that there will be thousands of them, except we're talking about a few packs.

 

[Bill dog]

If it gets rid of dog walkers ill take 10 wolves right away

Just before you release your wolves, can you please invite Cwiss Packham along for a photo ?

 

[GeorgeC1]

Grow up.

On the contrary I believe that a lot of people need to grow up and realise that the UK's ecological health isn't that good, long term we should strive for a healthy ecosystem, reversing some of the damage humans have done to it.

 

[GeorgeC1]

I think if we had wolves introduced we wouldn't have wolves for long .......

They would be a protected species, you'll probs be allowed to shoot them for self-defence of your livestock but actively hunting them will be illegal.

 

[andyt87]

You're way more likely to get attacked by stray dogs then wolves, wolves naturally are weary of humans.

Heard of "familiarity breeds contempt“?

Wolves are wary of people because they live in areas with lower population densities than we have here. There was a video on here of a wolf attacking a farm dog and carrying it off in Germany. It won't take long for the next step to be an attack on a walker with increasing interaction

 

[Doing it for the kids]

you're under the impression that there will be thousands of them, except we're talking about a few packs.

wolves can mate you know, which make more baby wolves, who then grow up and mate as well....

if you are so hell bent on this, get of the forum and go buy an estate suitable for your idea and try it out.

stag hounds, wolf hunting, same thing to the deer. culling by one means or another is inevitable, we have more control doing it how it’s currently being done though.

the problem here is too many people, focus your energies there first

 

[GeorgeC1]

Heard of "familiarity breeds contempt“?

Wolves are wary of people because they live in areas with lower population densities than we have here. There was a video on here of a wolf attacking a farm dog and carrying it off in Germany. It won't take long for the next step to be an attack on a walker with increasing interaction

Statistically I doubt it, the occasional dog might get attacked but ultimately the biggest threat to farmers and walkers are dogs off the lead or stray dog packs.

 

[Cowmansam]

You're way more likely to get attacked by stray dogs then wolves, wolves naturally are weary of humans.

There's been no recorded attacks on humans from European Lynx.

It's not a long lost species though it's only been a few hundred years.

How many stray dogs are kicking about these days not many

 

[Ribble]

If it gets rid of dog walkers ill take 10 wolves right away

If they want Wolves, the price has to be strong legislation for Livestock Guardian Dogs, and that takes care of the dog walkers too.

I don't think a strange labrador would survive a pack of Akbash or Kangal crosses deciding it is too close to their sheep friends.

 

[GeorgeC1]

wolves can mate you know, which make more baby wolves, who then grow up and mate as well....

if you are so hell bent on this, get of the forum and go buy an estate suitable for your idea and try it out.

stag hounds, wolf hunting, same thing to the deer. culling by one means or another is inevitable, we have more control doing it how it’s currently being done though.

the problem here is too many people, focus your energies there first

Not a lot we can do about the current human population but there's things we can do ethically if wolf populations somehow get too large, judging by the small roaming area they will have in remote areas it won't be too hard to maintain.

my point is for your day to day farmer the biggest threats will always be stray dogs, dogs off the lead and stupid people.

 

[hoff135]

Just before you release your wolves, can you please invite Cwiss Packham along for a photo ?

If they want Wolves, the price has to be strong legislation for Livestock Guardian Dogs, and that takes care of the dog walkers too.

I don't think a strange labrador would survive a pack of Akbash or Kangal crosses deciding it is too close to their sheep friends.

Or they pay us to get rid of livestock and plant trees. My farm would be surrounded by woodland and patrolled deadly animals. Maybe then ill get peace

 

[GeorgeC1]

How many stray dogs are kicking about these days not many

There's a few packs kicking around but dogs off the lead are by far the most dangerous to sheep.

If anything the very small scale wolf reintroduction will make people keep there dogs on the leash due to the (misguided) fear that there are wolves in every bush, imo.