Machinery manufactures lacking behind thieves?

[Pilatus]

Why are machinery manufactures lacking sadly behind the ability of thieves?
Seems to me ,great to crow on about “ how much more efficient this piece of technology (what ever it is) will make your operation”, but is no use at all if thieves can nick it easily.

 

[Dave W]

Because you can virtually walk on to 90% of farms and drive a tractor out. It's not the vehicles that aren't secure. It's the yards

 

[Treemover]

I think it’s the law that’s the problem.

 

[Andrew]

How are they supposed to make them better?

Any factory fit item is by definition fitted on the assembly line. Therefore it’s in the same place on every machine. The thieves only need to find one and they know where it is on the rest to disable or bypass it.

Coded keys can be replicated very easily, proved by the amount of cars that are stolen.

If you disable via software it can easily be hacked. If you disable via hardware it doesn’t take long with a cordless grinder or firemans hydraulic shears.

 

[Pilatus]

How are they supposed to make them better?

Any factory fit item is by definition fitted on the assembly line. Therefore it’s in the same place on every machine. The thieves only need to find one and they know where it is on the rest to disable or bypass it.

Coded keys can be replicated very easily, proved by the amount of cars that are stolen.

If you disable via software it can easily be hacked. If you disable via hardware it doesn’t take long with a cordless grinder or firemans hydraulic shears.

The future does not look good.So much for technology being the answer to all mankind’s problems.

 

[Pilatus]

Because you can virtually walk on to 90% of farms and drive a tractor out. It's not the vehicles that aren't secure. It's the yards

And large arable fields where some combines are left over night are not the most secure places.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Why are machinery manufactures lacking sadly behind the ability of thieves?
Seems to me ,great to crow on about “ how much more efficient this piece of technology (what ever it is) will make your operation”, but is no use at all if thieves can nick it easily.

New tractors are finally, after 40! or so years catching up with cars and coming with individually coded keys rather than a generic key. Immobilisers too are standard fare on a lots of 360s, big and small, and again certain tractors etc have them.

You can also fit a self contained GPS/GSM/LoRA tracker and just geofence the thing. So as soon as it moves outside the geofence you’re altered.

Make sure you have them Caeser tagged too. At least you get the benefit of a premium discount.

Fit a steering lock to the hydraulic rod on the front axle. Thieves just drive around in circles. But a bit harder to low load them out....

Ultimately though, if “they” really want it, they will have it. Humans can always outsmart the best security another human has codified.

 

[Andrew]

New tractors are finally, after 40! or so years catching up with cars and coming with individually coded keys rather than a generic key. Immobilisers too are standard fare on a lots of 360s, big and small, and again certain tractors etc have them.

You can also fit a self contained GPS/GSM/LoRA tracker and just geofence the thing. So as soon as it moves outside the geofence you’re altered.

Make sure you have them Caeser tagged too. At least you get the benefit of a premium discount.

Fit a steering lock to the hydraulic rod on the front axle. Thieves just drive around in circles. But a bit harder to low load them out....

Ultimately though, if “they” really want it, they will have it. Humans can always outsmart the best security another human has codified.

But it only take thieves a few minutes to replicate coded keys, cut steering locks etc.

The best thing is an aftermarket immobiliser and or tracker, as it is fitted in a different place and it takes them longer to find it.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

But it only take thieves a few minutes to replicate coded keys, cut steering locks etc.

The best thing is an aftermarket immobiliser and or tracker, as it is fitted in a different place and it takes them longer to find it.

I suppose the harder you make it / the more stuff you put in their way, the less appealing the prospect. What more can reasonably be done...

- couple of big dogs
- properly secured sheds and yards
- Motion sensor/PIR activated LED flood lights
- electric gates with access control
- 24x7 recorded CCTV
- full remote access alarm systems with Master Blasters

Go further...
- ANPR
- perimeter beam break alarms

 

[Andrew]

I suppose the harder you make it / the more stuff you put in their way, the less appealing the prospect. What more can reasonably be done...

- couple of big dogs
- properly secured sheds and yards
- Motion sensor/PIR activated LED flood lights
- electric gates with access control
- 24x7 recorded CCTV
- full remote access alarm systems with Master Blasters

Go further...
- ANPR
- perimeter beam break alarms

But that’s all to do with where you keep them. I’m not sure you can do much more to the machinery itself?

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

But that’s all to do with where you keep them. I’m not sure you can do much more to the machinery itself?

Dunno. Take anything removable of value out, where practical e.g. Greenstar etc receivers ?!

In terms of physical security, think I listed the main ones. The only other stuff gets far less convenient to use...

- fuel pump inhibitors
- lockable master isolator switch

 

[Lincs Lass]

Anybody seen these steering ram locks,, they look secure

 

[james ds]

How are they supposed to make them better?

Any factory fit item is by definition fitted on the assembly line. Therefore it’s in the same place on every machine. The thieves only need to find one and they know where it is on the rest to disable or bypass it.

Coded keys can be replicated very easily, proved by the amount of cars that are stolen.

If you disable via software it can easily be hacked. If you disable via hardware it doesn’t take long with a cordless grinder or firemans hydraulic shears.

If you only take out the fuse for the ignition you will stop 99.99% of thieves. A 3 amp fuse went on my newest tractor last week and I was an hour stopped before I got it sorted.

 

[icanshootwell]

This reminds me of a friend who was combining, in the distance he could see the tractor and trailer on the headland going backwards and forward, thought it was the farm worker moving the trailer closer to the uncut crop, turns out someone was trying to nick it but could,t work out how to drop off the trailer.

 

[Run to the hills]

If you had a machine with central tyre inflation you could let them all down...
might make it look less appealing