Mail on Sunday front page tommorrow :-(

[Cowabunga]

I am off to tesco, I am going to fill up my trolley with what I need and when the person behind the checkout says that is £69.72 I will ask why they feel that I am under any obligation to pay supermarkets anything.
Wish me luck

They are price makers. You and I are price takers. The lowest of the low in the food chain.

 

[Bald Rick]

Dont worry it will be upstaged by the suns 'Carrie's up the duff ..' knobby boris 's bulls eye' sort of headline'

Prefer

“Boris Breaks Terms of Withdrawal Agreement”

 

[jendan]

Bolox

Total UK farm debt is about £20 Billion i think.Whether a total collapse would upset the banks applecart i dont know.They could quite easily absorb half of it between them,without impacting on house mortgages perhaps.

 

[Austin7]

Without doubt "I told you so" are collectively the four most aggravating words in the English language. The only logical reason that a farmer would have voted for Brexit would be to pull British Agriculture down to its knees and to then by means known only unto themselves profit from that destruction. Well so far so good.

 

[Cowabunga]

The reason food is cheap is because of domestic production. Imports have to compete to get supermarket shelf space. Without domestic production exporters to UK would become price setters rather than takers leading to a massive increase in food prices. Hence why Singapore pay around 20% more for groceries than we do.

That depends on supply and demand. If there are plenty of competing suppliers desperate to shift what would otherwise be a surplus to them, they will be no different to the supermarkets than British farmers who they squeeze until the pips squeak.
Singapore shops charge more because they can. It has a very high income per capita. Very high standard of living, obviously not based on or reliant on domestic agriculture. A role model, perhaps, for the Tory delusional vision for the UK. That is exactly Tim Lunies vision for an UK with a collapsed farming industry producing very little as illustrated in the post immediately above.

 

[Henarar]

They are price makers. You and I are price takers. The lowest of the low in the food chain.

I don't give a sh!t about that but if I sell something to someone then to dam right they have an obligation to pay

 

[Cowabunga]

I don't give a sh!t about that but if I sell something to someone then to dam right they have an obligation to pay

Yes, but if you are in field scale agriculture, they dictate how much they pay. You do not set the price.

 

[Agrivator]

If the decision was to import all food, I think I might grow some spuds and breed some lambs and calves, and maybe milk some cows, and see if any local folk might want to buy any.

The Food Standard Agency and the Farm Assurance Gangsters would be too busy covering Poland, South America and Asia to worry about me.

In the immortal words of Catherine Tate - ''Warra fecking load of bollox''

 

[Hindsight]

Calm down dears, the man is a radical thinker paid to thought provoke. One of his ideas was to stop funding northern areas and ask people to migrate south. If asked his opinion on the need for government ministers he would probably say the country could be run by a super computer. Commonsense doesnt enter his thought process because he isnt paid to make commonsense decisions.

He is one of Doms 'wierdos and misfits' probably a superforecaster too!

I was of the view we mere mortals should humour these first class Oxbridge graduates with three Doctorates but am rapidly coming to the conclusion they have such high IQs and such little common sense they are a now posing a real and present danger to us mere mortals.

 

[Hindsight]

No idea but that ewe was reading the paper

She will probably suggest he start taking a better quality Sunday paper in future!

 

[upnortheast]

Reading further through the MOS their Opinion piece suggests the bloke is talking rubbish & should find another box to think outside

 

[Henarar]

She will probably suggest he start taking a better quality Sunday paper in future!

more likely tell him to stop buying that rubbish and use the money to buy her a more sheep feed

 

[Scribus]

Without doubt "I told you so" are collectively the four most aggravating words in the English language. The only logical reason that a farmer would have voted for Brexit would be to pull British Agriculture down to its knees and to then by means known only unto themselves profit from that destruction. Well so far so good.View attachment 861298

A few years ago, in the depths of the Irish recession, it was said that if only Ireland were more like Germany, adopt the German model etc then all would be grand. Then it was discovered that Germany had things like unions, brothels and political parties with real differences in their ideologies and we haven't heard much more about it since.

 

[Cowabunga]

If the decision was to import all food, I think I might grow some spuds and breed some lambs and calves, and maybe milk some cows, and see if any local folk might want to buy any.

The Food Standard Agency and the Farm Assurance Gangsters would be too busy covering Poland, South America and Asia to worry about me.

In the immortal words of Catherine Tate - ''Warra fecking load of bollox''

The decision isn't to import all food. It is to let UK farming die in the face of increased costs and regulations and almost unrestricted imports. FSA etc do not need to enforce foreign producers any more than they do currently. Not from the EU at any rate and probably not from the USA who have their own standards [which are often incompatible with the EU's]

 

[Agrivator]

She will probably suggest he start taking a better quality Sunday paper in future!

You mean like the Observer?

 

[flatliner]

Jaysus, will you lot calm down for a second. Are these remarks even true and in what context were they made? The man could well be technically correct but be in total disagreememt with the remainder of government.

You also seem to fear the USA like some kind of boogieman. Do you know their production costs? Do you think the UK consumer is even going to buy it because they have had access to imported product for years, I don't see retailers clamouring to flog Ugandan cheese?

The lot of you need to ignore this kind of bilge. Your market has had exposure to imported product for years. This is nothing new and you can blame the EU for it.

Yes, Go to Asda and Iceland and you can buy as much Thai chicken as you like.

 

[andybk]

Yes we have land at £10k per acre , large sub payments, great capital investments , rent costs and yet it seems the industry as a whole isnt making any money at farm level .
We also have people sleeping on the streets and most young people can only dream of buying a house despite working .
I would suggest that this looks a somewhat bizarre situation to most of the public ( would perhaps appear to have a funny smell ) if they are interested and in the eyes of an urban
government advisor / ambitious carreer minded politician it would appear ripe for scutiny as to how and why this situation occurs and an opportunity for them as an individual

I would suggest the blame lies in the cartels buying the farm produce these have got very organised and few between , , land might be 10k an acre but strip out the people not connected to agriculture buying it for IHT reasons , and farmers with owned farms that can raise fairly easy capital , and there isnt a lot left , you certainly cant make a living out of buying for 10k and farming it , its only ever going to be an investment based on ever higher prices . i think that pack of cards is well over due for toppling. I feel very sorry for the tenants who are forced to pay unworkable rents because some agent is pushing for maximum return to look good to his seniors , without on the ground knowledge of the land hes handling ,

 

[Hindsight]

The decision isn't to import all food. It is to let UK farming die in the face of increased costs and regulations and almost unrestricted imports. FSA etc do not need to enforce foreign producers any more than they do currently. Not from the EU at any rate and probably not from the USA who have their own standards [which are often incompatible with the EU's]

Those who wish to farm will if they wish subject to market forces. I assume we shall see liquid milk produced in UK. Some vegetables, some cereals, all on better land. Poultry and pigs produced here but feed sourced globally, as now really. Just a contraction of the area and number of businesses doing it. Has happened in other industries before.

 

[Cowabunga]

Reading further through the MOS their Opinion piece suggests the bloke is talking rubbish & should find another box to think outside

He is being quite logical really, just that he lacks empathy and doesn't take account of the adverse consequences to people, communities and social cohesion. He is basically divorced from reality and lacks understanding of what is acceptable and what's not. As I said previously, there is a very thin line between being super-intelligent and being quite divorced from reality to the point of being quite nuts. He has crossed that line and is far from being the first and certainly won't be the last.

 

[Hindsight]

He is being quite logical really, just that he lacks empathy and doesn't take account of the adverse consequences to people, communities and social cohesion. He is basically divorced from reality and lacks understanding of what is acceptable and what's not. As I said previously, there is a very thin line between being super-intelligent and being quite divorced from reality to the point of being quite nuts. He has crossed that line and is far from being the first and certainly won't be the last.

One of Doms 'wierdos and midfits' 'suprforecasters'. Has a touch of Aspergers possibly. See a few about. Need them to think outside the box. But need to be captive. Bit like that Friesan Dairy Bull. This one got out loose for a while.