Major vehicle quandary

[Courier]

You can buy warranties

Not warranties that are actually worth having ...

Just buy your existing vehicle from the lease Co. and make friends with a commercial diesel injection and emissions specialist and aim on 200,000 miles before changing - your bank balance will be glad !

 

[ricky_rascal]

Question-
seen various comments about 2.4 Hilux being flat, slow etc
I've got an invincible 2.4, pull trailer frequently - will sit at 60-65mph comfortably
without trailer it'll do as fast as as you press the throttle pedal, and get there pretty rapid.
At end o the day its a bliddy pickup no a porsche cayene.
Or am I missing something?
And trust me I tend to drive it like I stole it
Came from a 2.5 isuzu dmax and it's a helluva lot better than it was.

I occasionally drive a Hilux 2.4 Invincible X. Same age as my d-max and which do I think will last longer - well not the Isuzu (though I may be wrong). Yes I’ve read the 2.4 is flat and slow but I find it comparable to my d-max. I think the Toyota rides better, has a diff lock and is quiet against the Isuzu engine. Doesn’t seem to regen the dpf as often as the Isuzu either. I see the Toyota has a power button - does that increase power above rated HP?

 

[Richard Smyth]

They stopped making them didn't they?
The new ones will be from the tie in with Ford, when they arrive i think.

They haven't stopped making them as they are still available here. I've been trying to buy one but can't get one due to covid slowing factory down. Bought a new model isuzu dmax which so far isn't a patch on old amarok

 

[ricky_rascal]

They haven't stopped making them as they are still available here. I've been trying to buy one but can't get one due to covid slowing factory down. Bought a new model isuzu dmax which so far isn't a patch on old amarok

And you get the 3.0 engine. I imagine going from the V6 Amorak to 1.9 D-max could be disappointing

 

[A H N]

How do you find the chip makes it go now? What is fuel use/drivability (i.e overtaking like)?

Fuel Consumption improved probably 4 to 5 mpg more, big difference overtaking it's auto so changes up into 6th far quicker. The works foreman at the garage I bought it from had a short run it and couldn't believe the difference.

 

[lloyd]

I occasionally drive a Hilux 2.4 Invincible X. Same age as my d-max and which do I think will last longer - well not the Isuzu (though I may be wrong). Yes I’ve read the 2.4 is flat and slow but I find it comparable to my d-max. I think the Toyota rides better, has a diff lock and is quiet against the Isuzu engine. Doesn’t seem to regen the dpf as often as the Isuzu either. I see the Toyota has a power button - does that increase power above rated HP?

The button seems to make the throttle more responsive .
If you were going for a new one having the 2.8 is only a few hundred
more so would make sense .

 

[thesilentone]

Buy your old Amarok, while at the same time agreeing a trade in value against the new one that comes out later.

Join the AA with maintenance package.

 

[Richard Smyth]

And you get the 3.0 engine. I imagine going from the V6 Amorak to 1.9 D-max could be disappointing

we do this one is 3 liter. Don’t believe any other engine is offered here. Old amarok was the 2 liter but tuned and it went well. Somehow the timing pulley came loose and rooted the engine so needed another in a hurry.

 

[Lincsman]

Who'd wanna spend that long in a great wall ffs

It would be relaxing without the VW bang and bill waiting to happen at any time very soon.

 

[ace]

At the end of your lease, buy a Ford F150 for a year to put a smile on your face.Sell it ,then get the new Vw in 2022.

 

[Lowland1]

This.
They must be junk if they can't do year 4 with out major break downs.
The new ones will just be a Ford in disguise won't they, so no guarantee, you'll like them.
At the end of the day if you need a new pick up in warranty, you'll just have to buy which ever one you dislike least.
Not too many VW's round here, they look more car like than work tough? Plus they're very expensive. I think my dentist has one.
Can you get the new Mazda BT-50 there? They look a little different to the other brands, even though they are basically an Isuzu now.

We have two and they run in conditions and roads far worse than they would in either the U.K or NZ we have wheel bearing issues but other than that no major issues mine has done 100k miles in less than 5 years my wifes has done 65k in less than 3 years but 80% will be off road they never get stuck and are very comfortable and you can put a tonne plus in the back and you don’t know it and ours are only 2 litre models. Our Landcruiser pick up gets more repair work than the Amaroks

 

[hagar]

You been pressing the powr button?
Mine is no racing car but is solid towing 3.5t
which is what it was bought to do.
Have a 2.8 on order to replace another vehicle so
will be interesting to see the difference.

No, only use power button to overtake with trailer on.
Never use the eco setting- standard mode most o the time.
Not saying the 2.8 won't be a different beast, but at end o the day its a commercial motor and considering it's heaving 2 plus tons about empty it certainly canny be described as sluggish

 

[hagar]

I occasionally drive a Hilux 2.4 Invincible X. Same age as my d-max and which do I think will last longer - well not the Isuzu (though I may be wrong). Yes I’ve read the 2.4 is flat and slow but I find it comparable to my d-max. I think the Toyota rides better, has a diff lock and is quiet against the Isuzu engine. Doesn’t seem to regen the dpf as often as the Isuzu either. I see the Toyota has a power button - does that increase power above rated HP?

I looked at the new Isuzu but didn't like the fact its now a 1.9 engine.
Probably wrong but I think that engine must be screaming its nuts off wi a loaded trailer and trying to get a bit o speed going.
Regards the dpf, my only gripe is mine's doesn't have any warning to let you know its doing it'
Have learned to watch rev counter before stopping engine as it revs at 1250 if regen in progress'
Newer ones apparently have a button to force regen.
Power button makes it hold longer (it turns it into an F1 car)

 

[robs1]

We have a 1.9 d max, it pulls a fully loaded trailer without issues at the max mph on the road, we like the ride and you could buy two for less than the vw. If you want racing car performance and rolls Royce ride then buy a RR and weap at the repair bills.

 

[ricky_rascal]

I looked at the new Isuzu but didn't like the fact its now a 1.9 engine.
Probably wrong but I think that engine must be screaming its nuts off wi a loaded trailer and trying to get a bit o speed going.
Regards the dpf, my only gripe is mine's doesn't have any warning to let you know its doing it'
Have learned to watch rev counter before stopping engine as it revs at 1250 if regen in progress'
Newer ones apparently have a button to force regen.
Power button makes it hold longer (it turns it into an F1 car)

Not so much screaming. I had both auto and manual 1.9 Isuzu’s when they first came out on demo. They had my original d-max in for repair which went on for a month or more waiting for parts. The 1.9 could do what the 2.5 could but needed working a harder. I suppose what I mean is it didn’t have the torque low down the Rev range that the 2.5 had. Rev above around 2200rpm and it would start to pull which was very noticeable in comparison to my 2.5 Against the old 2.5 it put me off so bought another 2.5, one of the last ones. I don’t know if these smaller engines are so bad. Ford ring 210bhp out of their 2.0 and plenty of torque and the few owners I know of like them. Knowing Ford their may be probs further down the road - or not hopefully.

My local Isuzu dealer sells the 1.9 with the option of a remap. Pushes output up to 190ish HP and ups the torque. Doesn’t affect warranty I’m told. I’ve driven a remapped 1.9 up and down the road outside the dealers and was difficult to know if it was an improvement.

I’ll have a test drive of the new d-max if I’m offered as it would be rude not to! Will I swap my current d-max for the new d-max - no.

 

[hagar]

Not so much screaming. I had both auto and manual 1.9 Isuzu’s when they first came out on demo. They had my original d-max in for repair which went on for a month or more waiting for parts. The 1.9 could do what the 2.5 could but needed working a harder. I suppose what I mean is it didn’t have the torque low down the Rev range that the 2.5 had. Rev above around 2200rpm and it would start to pull which was very noticeable in comparison to my 2.5 Against the old 2.5 it put me off so bought another 2.5, one of the last ones. I don’t know if these smaller engines are so bad. Ford ring 210bhp out of their 2.0 and plenty of torque and the few owners I know of like them. Knowing Ford their may be probs further down the road - or not hopefully.

My local Isuzu dealer sells the 1.9 with the option of a remap. Pushes output up to 190ish HP and ups the torque. Doesn’t affect warranty I’m told. I’ve driven a remapped 1.9 up and down the road outside the dealers and was difficult to know if it was an improvement.

I’ll have a test drive of the new d-max if I’m offered as it would be rude not to! Will I swap my current d-max for the new d-max - no.

You'll be right enough regards power etc, but I just think small engine producing big power will be detrimental to longevity.
I usually keep them about 7-8 years, not high miles but I tend to work them hard!!
(old skool- no replacement for displacement!!)

 

[kiwi pom]

We have two and they run in conditions and roads far worse than they would in either the U.K or NZ we have wheel bearing issues but other than that no major issues mine has done 100k miles in less than 5 years my wifes has done 65k in less than 3 years but 80% will be off road they never get stuck and are very comfortable and you can put a tonne plus in the back and you don’t know it and ours are only 2 litre models. Our Landcruiser pick up gets more repair work than the Amaroks

I figured they would be just fine, just a bit surprised that some people are terrified about running things out of warranty. I don't remember UK conditions being that harsh.
I've owned new stuff and very old knackered stuff and apart from some real scrap I bought in America I don't remember major repairs or any breakdowns on any of it.
I think the average age of the NZ fleet is nearly 15 years, so people aren't scared of old stuff here.
Perhaps its just the new emissions stuff, NZ's a bit behind on that in some vehicles?

 

[hagar]

We have a 1.9 d max, it pulls a fully loaded trailer without issues at the max mph on the road, we like the ride and you could buy two for less than the vw. If you want racing car performance and rolls Royce ride then buy a RR and weap at the repair bills.

I'm not doubting it can/will.
I've got heavy foot regardlesss o what I'm driving.
My biggest dislike with old dmax was it was a soft ride, which is good for comfort but no so good for load lugging.
Got a friend on his 3rd 1.9 Isuzu and he thinks a lot o them but he changes them at 3yr old. Doing lot o miles and 90% with a 14ft Ifor on it.

 

[robs1]

I'm not doubting it can/will.
I've got heavy foot regardlesss o what I'm driving.
My biggest dislike with old dmax was it was a soft ride, which is good for comfort but no so good for load lugging.
Got a friend on his 3rd 1.9 Isuzu and he thinks a lot o them but he changes them at 3yr old. Doing lot o miles and 90% with a 14ft Ifor on it.

Ours has a five year warranty doing about 8 thousand miles a year , dont tow with it that often, have driven to the Alps though

 

[kiwi pom]

They haven't stopped making them as they are still available here. I've been trying to buy one but can't get one due to covid slowing factory down. Bought a new model isuzu dmax which so far isn't a patch on old amarok

Just seen an advert for them so I guess you're right.
Perhaps withdrawn from the UK market because of emissions? We get to keep the dirty stuff down here

Edit just looked it up looks like they still make them in Argentina for markets outside of Europe.
Perhaps the OP could get an unofficial Import?
Wouldn't solve the warranty problem though.