Making a Mid-tier and Wildlife Offer application.

[B'o'B]

Does anyone know if you can make a Mid-tier application and a Wildlife Offer application in the same year and then decide which one to accept if both are successful?
Basically I am putting in quite a large Mid-tier application, if it happens to be a competitive year it may worth having a back-up plan of putting a Wildlife Offer application in along side it incase the Mid-tier application is unsuccessful. Does anyone know if this possible? I have got both application packs.

 

[Bald Rick]

Does anyone know if you can make a Mid-tier application and a Wildlife Offer application in the same year and then decide which one to accept if both are successful?
Basically I am putting in quite a large Mid-tier application, if it happens to be a competitive year it may worth having a back-up plan of putting a Wildlife Offer application in along side it incase the Mid-tier application is unsuccessful. Does anyone know if this possible? I have got both application packs.

Give East Midlands FWAG a ring

 

[Princess Pooper]

Apparently you can't. I wanted to do this as a 'belt and braces' approach for a client and I asked the question at one of the official NE meetings. Jim Egan said no can do.

 

[Bald Rick]

Apparently you can't. I wanted to do this as a 'belt and braces' approach for a client and I asked the question at one of the official NE meetings. Jim Egan said no can do.

What does that ex miner know ...

 

[DRC]

Does anyone know if you can make a Mid-tier application and a Wildlife Offer application in the same year and then decide which one to accept if both are successful?
Basically I am putting in quite a large Mid-tier application, if it happens to be a competitive year it may worth having a back-up plan of putting a Wildlife Offer application in along side it incase the Mid-tier application is unsuccessful. Does anyone know if this possible? I have got both application packs.

I’d be surprised if the mid tier is over subscribed.

 

[Princess Pooper]

I’d be surprised if the mid tier is over subscribed.

hoping not as also putting in an application for a tenant farmer who desperately needs the money!

 

[DRC]

hoping not as also putting in an application for a tenant farmer who desperately needs the money!

It’d be quicker to grow a crop to sell,than wait to be paid on these schemes in my opinion . What sort of options are they choosing ?

 

[DRC]

hoping not as also putting in an application for a tenant farmer who desperately needs the money!

It’d be quicker to grow a crop to sell,than wait to be paid on these schemes in my opinion . What sort of options are they choosing ?

 

[B'o'B]

Apparently you can't. I wanted to do this as a 'belt and braces' approach for a client and I asked the question at one of the official NE meetings. Jim Egan said no can do.

It would be interesting to know what he bases that on, the Wildlife offer web page says, “You’re limited to one application for each Single Business Identifier (SBI) you have for this round of Wildlife Offers.”
That would suggest that they may not want you to do a Mid-tier application and Wildlife application, but they have only written the rules to actually prevent multiple Wildlife offers applications.

 

[B'o'B]

I’d be surprised if the mid tier is over subscribed.

All indications I’ve heard suggest that there has been a similar level of interest to previous years, so you are probably correct. But always good to have a backup plan just in case.

 

[GeorgeK]

It may be an issue if your client really needs the money, sadly I'd say the chances of getting paid in full, on time are about 0%. In my opinion you need enough in reserve to ride out a minimum of a 12 month delay. Not saying this is an acceptable situation, just how it is

 

[B'o'B]

It may be an issue if your client really needs the money, sadly I'd say the chances of getting paid in full, on time are about 0%. In my opinion you need enough in reserve to ride out a minimum of a 12 month delay. Not saying this is an acceptable situation, just how it is

Sad but true.

 

[yellow belly]

Sad but true.

apply for mid tier as there is no way it will be oversubscribed more farmers leave entry level than apply for stewardship

payment has been a big issue but now the treasury pays advance the delays in cash flow are reducing
I am sure they will be able to pay 2019 payments much sooner because the irispective of the delays in rpa administration and 2020 payments may be in 2020

2020 application will last till 2025 when we will be surer of at nelms will be
waiting another year will leave a year with out the benefit of stewardship
which rewards a balanced notill rotation with spring crops using cover crops

 

[Princess Pooper]

It’d be quicker to grow a crop to sell,than wait to be paid on these schemes in my opinion . What sort of options are they choosing ?

Quite a lot of not very good river flood land, plus planting new hedges / laying hedges with back fencing against sheep, shaping off some awkward arable fields (Eg a bottleneck too narrow to get a 24 m width through without breaching LERAPS), some areas of wild bird seed and nectar flower etc. They are growing crops too, but lower working capital requirement for a lot of the CS work. It's a 'diversification' and 'insurance' policy and they've been in schemes before. A lot of the land is for beef and sheep - how profitable is that going to be in the next 5 years?

 

[DRC]

Quite a lot of not very good river flood land, plus planting new hedges / laying hedges with back fencing against sheep, shaping off some awkward arable fields (Eg a bottleneck too narrow to get a 24 m width through without breaching LERAPS), some areas of wild bird seed and nectar flower etc. They are growing crops too, but lower working capital requirement for a lot of the CS work. It's a 'diversification' and 'insurance' policy and they've been in schemes before. A lot of the land is for beef and sheep - how profitable is that going to be in the next 5 years?

That’s true. I wish my old HLS had carried on. That did pay well. When you said he needed the money, I thought you meant immediately . I’m waiting to see what Elms might offer. I’m privy to some info that means it might be better waiting.

 

[Princess Pooper]

That’s true. I wish my old HLS had carried on. That did pay well. When you said he needed the money, I thought you meant immediately . I’m waiting to see what Elms might offer. I’m privy to some info that means it might be better waiting.

He's just taken on an area to double his farmed acreage and he is 100% tenanted. ELMS not likely before 2025 the way things are going.

 

[Princess Pooper]

It may be an issue if your client really needs the money, sadly I'd say the chances of getting paid in full, on time are about 0%. In my opinion you need enough in reserve to ride out a minimum of a 12 month delay. Not saying this is an acceptable situation, just how it is

He knows that but it's better than laying out a load of dosh,(and a lower working capital requirement) on more cattle that might be worth less than he paid for them after 6 months!

 

[DRC]

He knows that but it's better than laying out a load of dosh,(and a lower working capital requirement) on more cattle that might be worth less than he paid for them after 6 months!

I’ve looked at the mid tier and the 4 simplified options, and can’t get them to come to much money for the hassle.

 

[GeorgeK]

He knows that but it's better than laying out a load of dosh,(and a lower working capital requirement) on more cattle that might be worth less than he paid for them after 6 months!

I think the schemes can pay if worked out as part of the whole plan, which you have obviously considered. Like you say if you can reduce capital expenditure and replace with stewardship options, that frees up cash, enough to cover late payment and then some. The reduced workload can also mean the new tractor isn't needed, or one can be sold so more cash freed up. Also the schemes pay better if you 'block crop' them, so doing a whole field of flowers is more efficient than strips spread all over the farm.
Obviously when the scheme ends the capital saved will be needed again to restart food production, but it buys 5 years of breathing space and hopefully some profit.

 

[Princess Pooper]

I think the schemes can pay if worked out as part of the whole plan, which you have obviously considered. Like you say if you can reduce capital expenditure and replace with stewardship options, that frees up cash, enough to cover late payment and then some. The reduced workload can also mean the new tractor isn't needed, or one can be sold so more cash freed up. Also the schemes pay better if you 'block crop' them, so doing a whole field of flowers is more efficient than strips spread all over the farm.
Obviously when the scheme ends the capital saved will be needed again to restart food production, but it buys 5 years of breathing space and hopefully some profit.

Exactement.