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Discussion in 'Competition Ploughing' started by Petetheploughman, Oct 30, 2017.
Yes but copied right and in the right hands the jobs a goodun
Only took me 2 days as well ...
Hello stealer Dealer
Surprised the Chinese copies of your copy are not available yet.
They say imitation is the best form of flattery
If using a 2 furrow frame would you extend it to give more clearance or leave it original?
I extend mine by 4" , roughly as TS86 dimensions. Hurts the ins and outs a bit but I think is more stable and better clearance for forward skimming. Probably not worth losing a lot of sleep over though.
Thank you Bob. I'm terrible at making decisions. I didn't know what to do as I've found extending the frame makes the ins a little more difficult but it makes the outs a little easier as the front furrow can lift up higher when to come out.
Seen some people here with a 16" sliding headstock in front of a 2/3 TS59 frame and still got a swivelling cross-shaft. Belt and braces? 30" is min clearance to cope with trash (I got 34 and there are quick top links to help at the ends). Or you could drop/raise the right before the left.
Would you use 18" discs or 16" discs?
I think you will be tight on adjustment with 18” though I use a 19” on the left hand setup using the square section arm of a reversible(not sure what model)
Thanks Bob sounds like 16" discs are the way to go as they will be easier to adjust in hard ground conditions.
The 18" discs are cheaper then the 16" discs.
I'll contact my Sparex dealer for prices.
If you have room for 18" then choose them, it makes the plough look sexier but don't push them down too far, you still want to be slicing the trash at an acute angle.
I had Kverneland discs on my 59 but felt that 18" discs were too big to be in the right place up and down, especially under the cross shaft. Went back to Ransomes with 16" discs and have continued so ever since. They might well be susceptible to a bit more headache in the bearings and swivel but the skimmer arms are better and you can get the disc in exactly the right place relative to the share. You also have the ability to impose under/overcut when needed.
I do however, use Kverneland skimmers.
Just in passing, and more pertinently, whilst on the subject of making ploughs, it would appear that they who should be spoken of in whispers have now decreed that spurious and recently manufactured TS86's have now been legitimised at the recent lot less than used to was Directors meeting
Plenty of groovey cross shafts about Dave .. My TS59 come 86 must now be more valuable. Yippee, I am rich.
But has that just knocked £3k off the price of legit ts86,s
Sure the man said he would sell those copies for £3.5k. Bare.
Would not think so. Value still lies in the bodies - £1500 for RWM's and that's without legs which you also need - say £250 which means £5250 so it's well worth £750 to say you have an original.
And they say World style is expensive!
Dealer is quite right but it is all about rarity value hence a reasonable argument for banning TS86 and RWMs because they were never designed for commercial use. They were in fact the World style of the day and quite rare. But then modified TS59s were not commercial but there seems to be no scarcity of them nor raw material to work on. Yl mouldboards are potentially the problem but demand pressure will eventually crack that problem. I think rules for the vintage classes will continue to slacken rather than tighten.
It's all very well TS86's going up in value but could the classic class become an expensive class to enter for beginners if they are serious about ploughing. Surely the class would go smaller like the world style.
Errr, people want to ban a competition plough, from competition because it was not a commercial tool?
All relates to rarity because they were not made in commercial numbers Harry and thus the extortionate price. Pete is quite right with his concerns but it does not really bother me if people want to push their sport beyond the bounds of ordinary people. Most sports go this way because of people's competitive nature and not necessarily in pursuit of money, but sooner or later a stop has to be placed to prevent them from becoming elitist. Most people plough in World style to try to achieve the ulimate goal and a good many of them have faced near bankruptcy doing it. Most have been farmers who put expenses through the business where possible and also have ample practice opportunities and still they have to push themselves to the limit.