Making meat production illegal - yikes

[Pilatus]

@Roger Perry , hi Roger could you comment on the idea of cattle being banned from Oregon and Colorado . Seems a pie in the sky idea, I am sure any cattle rancher friends of yours will think the idea completely bonkers to put it mildly!!

 

[Pilatus]

Off topic
No doubt our side of the pond Agriculture will be the scape goat for the latest report on climate change,and we have reached red alert.
Johnson’s wife will not help matters as she is a “greeny”with a lot of influence as are wives do!!!
Anything for a quiet life!

 

[Roger Perry]

@Roger Perry , hi Roger could you comment on the idea of cattle being banned from Oregon and Colorado . Seems a pie in the sky idea, I am sure any cattle rancher friends of yours will think the idea completely bonkers to put it mildly!!

Colorado is run by a left of center state gov.
The bulk of the population lives in what's known as the "front range" its where the mountains meet the plains, from the city of Pueblo in the south to Cheyenne Wyoming in the north. Over the last 5 / 10 years huge numbers of people from east and west coast have moved into this area...........hence the stupid ideas such as this, never going to happen

 

[Pilatus]

Colorado is run by a left of center state gov.
The bulk of the population lives in what's known as the "front range" its where the mountains meet the plains, from the city of Pueblo in the south to Cheyenne Wyoming in the north. Over the last 5 / 10 years huge numbers of people from east and west coast have moved into this area...........hence the stupid ideas such as this, never going to happen

I certainly hope it will not happen.
Know doubt those that have moved in are the , “Idealistic hypocrites of society” , sadly the planet is becoming full of them!!!
Are there some substantial landowners , with connections in high places ,that will make sure this idea of no livestock, is a pie in the sky idea that will not happen.

 

[Roger Perry]

I certainly hope it will not happen.
Know doubt those that have moved in are the , “Idealistic hypocrites of society” , sadly the planet is becoming full of them!!!
Are there some substantial landowners , with connections in high places ,that will make sure this idea of no livestock, is a pie in the sky idea that will not happen.

Have no fear, the agricultural community has some serious clout both at grassroot/ state and in Washington. While its' true that the present administration is less in tune with rural America than the previous one even they realize not to jeopardize a ready supply of affordable food.

 

[DaveGrohl]

The man said less meat, not to remove it completely. Looking at the graph below from nutrition.org.uk 37% is quite a big chunk of the protein intake. Think the fishermen would love to sell more of their catch.
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Don't get me wrong, I love my rare steaks and meat pies so won't be cutting it out of my diet completely, but balancing it with other proteins does not sound like a bad thing.

That graph is surely just a function of the fact that meat is actually high in protein and therefore responsible for a third of protein consumed. Just maths. What is startling is cereals in second place. Considering how relatively low they are in protein it's worrying how much is consumed to get to second place in that graph.

 

[primmiemoo]

That graph is surely just a function of the fact that meat is actually high in protein and therefore responsible for a third of protein consumed. Just maths. What is startling is cereals in second place. Considering how relatively low they are in protein it's worrying how much is consumed to get to second place in that graph.

Which is why, once carbon footprint is calculated on nutritional value per calorie, meat is a very planet friendly food.
Soya, otoh, and edible plants in general, come out worst. As humans, we do need our cereals, pulses, and vegetables. We need a varied and balanced diet.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Off topic
No doubt our side of the pond Agriculture will be the scape goat for the latest report on climate change,and we have reached red alert.
Johnson’s wife will not help matters as she is a “greeny”with a lot of influence as are wives do!!!
Anything for a quiet life!

I hope she doesn't know this play!!!

In the ancient Greek play ‘Lysistrata,’ women stop having sex with men to end a bloody war

For women, absence can be power

timeline.com

 

[Turnip]

That graph is surely just a function of the fact that meat is actually high in protein and therefore responsible for a third of protein consumed. Just maths. What is startling is cereals in second place. Considering how relatively low they are in protein it's worrying how much is consumed to get to second place in that graph.

I get your point, but from the same source,

Protein - British Nutrition Foundation - Page #1

www.nutrition.org.uk

The four meats are pretty close with regards to protein per 100g.

What is also interesting to see is the land use per 100g of protein.

Source: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/land-use-protein-poore

 

[Turnip]

Which is why, once carbon footprint is calculated on nutritional value per calorie, meat is a very planet friendly food.
Soya, otoh, and edible plants in general, come out worst. As humans, we do need our cereals, pulses, and vegetables. We need a varied and balanced diet.

Source:

Greenhouse gas emissions per 100 grams of protein

Greenhouse gas emissions are measured in kilograms of carbon dioxide-equivalents.

ourworldindata.org

 

[Scholsey]

Morrisons were selling whole Cornish octopuses for 39p each the other day.

It made me very angry that these creatures are being dumped for want of a better word. Don't catch them if there is NO market

Ergo, IF that is the way the government want us to go - ie massive reduction in farm animals - tell us now so I can get out of the job pdq.

What a time to be alive

Should be a minimum price for a ‘life’ and that’s not 39p for a octopus or 2.99 for a cooked chicken and laws against throwing unsold meat.

I bet 25% of meat is thrown away by either the seller due to sell by dates or the end buyer as forgot to cook it or didn’t eat it all.

Meat needs to be the premium product it used to be and treated as such, if it means a family has to choose between new iPhones every year or meat 7 nights a week then so be it.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

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Source:

Greenhouse gas emissions per 100 grams of protein

Greenhouse gas emissions are measured in kilograms of carbon dioxide-equivalents.

ourworldindata.org

I think we also need to factor in, what type of land is it? Remember 2/3 of the land in the world is only suitable for growing grass, therefore we can't grow grains on it. The top of my farm produces lambs, if I tried to grow wheat on it, I would produce 100% of nothing every year!

 

[Pilatus]

I hope she doesn't know this play!!!

In the ancient Greek play ‘Lysistrata,’ women stop having sex with men to end a bloody war

For women, absence can be power

timeline.com

Did many of the women turn to being lesbians!!!

 

[Turnip]

I think we also need to factor in, what type of land is it? Remember 2/3 of the land in the world is only suitable for growing grass, therefore we can't grow grains on it. The top of my farm produces lambs, if I tried to grow wheat on it, I would produce 100% of nothing every year!

Very good point, grow what is suitable for the land you have.

 

[Pilatus]

Very good point, grow what is suitable for the land you have.

Perhaps that has been the downfall of some agriculture past payment schemes. It has encouraged us to follow the payment/ subsidy rather than , following good farm practice of growing what the land is capable of growing hope fully profitably.
I certainly was by ploughing up permanent pasture on some steep banks so that could claim the arable payment at the time ( late 80s early 90s).

 

[primmiemoo]

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Source:

Greenhouse gas emissions per 100 grams of protein

Greenhouse gas emissions are measured in kilograms of carbon dioxide-equivalents.

ourworldindata.org

I can't find it yet, but there's a video in TFF of a UN conference seminar from 2019 where, towards the end, a chart is shown giving nutritional value per calorie that is properly weighted in relation to carbon footprint of each food group ~ that means that sequestration is factored in, unlike calculations that only show emissions and then manage to focus on the most intensive systems for meat to measure those emissions.

(You do know that one of the academics who compiled the study your graph comes from is a known vegan activist, don't you?)

 

[primmiemoo]

Did many of the women turn to being lesbians!!!

No, but most of the men were either gay or bi.

 

[M-J-G]

The man said less meat, not to remove it completely. Looking at the graph below from nutrition.org.uk 37% is quite a big chunk of the protein intake. Think the fishermen would love to sell more of their catch.
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Don't get me wrong, I love my rare steaks and meat pies so won't be cutting it out of my diet completely, but balancing it with other proteins does not sound like a bad thing.

Why?

 

[M-J-G]

I get your point, but from the same source,

Protein - British Nutrition Foundation - Page #1

www.nutrition.org.uk

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The four meats are pretty close with regards to protein per 100g.

What is also interesting to see is the land use per 100g of protein.
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Source: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/land-use-protein-poore

What about land type

 

[Turnip]

What about land type

Absolutely, as stated already by @MX7 and @Ffermer Bach . Some land is suitable for certain products and not others.