Manitou 630 starting problems

mo!

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Mixed Farmer
Location
York
Brand new Manitou 630 that doesn't always start. Maybe once in every three attempt. Sometimes it fires and then stops, sometimes it has an ECU fault, or "Engine too hot" fault despite being cool. Dealer mechanic had a look but basically shrugged and said "too many electronics".

Has anyone got the same issues? Do we just live with it or can it be fixed.

@ACEngineering
 

ACEngineering

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Location
Oxon
Brand new Manitou 630 that doesn't always start. Maybe once in every three attempt. Sometimes it fires and then stops, sometimes it has an ECU fault, or "Engine too hot" fault despite being cool. Dealer mechanic had a look but basically shrugged and said "too many electronics".

Has anyone got the same issues? Do we just live with it or can it be fixed.

@ACEngineering

No idea but no you dont live with it, they need to fix it. If your dealer cant fix it they need to escalate it to Manitou UK service tech to seek advise higher up the chain of command.
 

Grassman

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Location
Derbyshire
Brand new Manitou 630 that doesn't always start. Maybe once in every three attempt. Sometimes it fires and then stops, sometimes it has an ECU fault, or "Engine too hot" fault despite being cool. Dealer mechanic had a look but basically shrugged and said "too many electronics".

Has anyone got the same issues? Do we just live with it or can it be fixed.

@ACEngineering
If its 10 years old and no warranty then live with it.
Brand new then its not fit for purpose. End of. Get them to sort it sharpish.
 

ACEngineering

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Location
Oxon
Slightly off topic BUT anyone with these newer MLT 630 machines, they run a different 90deg transfer gearbox to other manitous. Check and change its oil regular because if it fails the parts for it are very limited!

Only oil seals are listed as parts to buy, all the bearings, shafts and gears there are no part numbers for to order!
Okay you can get bearings elsewhere but if you need and thing else your stuffed!

Manitou answer is fit a new transfer box at I think around £5k for box? And they always on back order at least everytime I looked in the past 12months they was🙈🙈

It's made by Comma, but I dont think they sell the spare parts for it and I doubt they will supply outside of manitou anyway as bound to be a patent on it or some such agreement.

In short look after your transfer box on the new MLT 630 machines.
 

mo!

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Mixed Farmer
Location
York
Slightly off topic BUT anyone with these newer MLT 630 machines, they run a different 90deg transfer gearbox to other manitous. Check and change its oil regular because if it fails the parts for it are very limited!

Only oil seals are listed as parts to buy, all the bearings, shafts and gears there are no part numbers for to order!
Okay you can get bearings elsewhere but if you need and thing else your stuffed!

Manitou answer is fit a new transfer box at I think around £5k for box? And they always on back order at least everytime I looked in the past 12months they was🙈🙈

It's made by Comma, but I dont think they sell the spare parts for it and I doubt they will supply outside of manitou anyway as bound to be a patent on it or some such agreement.

In short look after your transfer box on the new MLT 630 machines.
Ours is on a 5 year warranty and service contract, so it will be someone else's problem!
 

Fergieman

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
You need someone different out to it. Plug in a laptop and all the error codes will be there even if they have disappeared from the dash display. Had an intermittent fault coming up on ours last week which of course won't show when mechanic was here. Laptop on and a photograph I took of the faults on the dash while they were showing and we are fixed.
 

ColinV6

Member
2000 hours on our 630 so far and occasionally get a start and cut out, but extremely rare. More often is the “operator not present” error where you have to bounce on the seat a couple times and then it starts lol.

As above were on a 5 year warranty so I’d be expecting a replacement machine ASAP or future purchases would be in question.

@ACEngineering does this transfer box apply to both transmission types on the 630? We’ve not done anything other than routine 500 hour services so far, and those are expensive enough!!
 

Fergieman

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
2000 hours on our 630 so far and occasionally get a start and cut out, but extremely rare. More often is the “operator not present” error where you have to bounce on the seat a couple times and then it starts lol.

As above were on a 5 year warranty so I’d be expecting a replacement machine ASAP or future purchases would be in question.

@ACEngineering does this transfer box apply to both transmission types on the 630? We’ve not done anything other than routine 500 hour services so far, and those are expensive enough!!
Or the forward reverse switch is not in neutral
 

ColinV6

Member
Actually the most annoying thing with ours is the almost daily need to realign the front and rear wheels or it starts crabbing.

Asked Lloyd’s about it and was told “your not alone” but we took it to manitou and that’s part of the daily procedures. I think the tech was as annoyed as I was at that answer.
 

mo!

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
York
2000 hours on our 630 so far and occasionally get a start and cut out, but extremely rare. More often is the “operator not present” error where you have to bounce on the seat a couple times and then it starts lol.

As above were on a 5 year warranty so I’d be expecting a replacement machine ASAP or future purchases would be in question.

@ACEngineering does this transfer box apply to both transmission types on the 630? We’ve not done anything other than routine 500 hour services so far, and those are expensive enough!!
Yeah, he warned me of the operator issue but I haven't had that problem at all yet.
 

mo!

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
York
Actually the most annoying thing with ours is the almost daily need to realign the front and rear wheels or it starts crabbing.

Asked Lloyd’s about it and was told “your not alone” but we took it to manitou and that’s part of the daily procedures. I think the tech was as annoyed as I was at that answer.
Ours is a MLT630-115 which is an updated model I think. The wheels align themselves as far as I know, at least I have seen any way to align them manually in the screen or the manual.

The clock gains about 6 minutes per day though. Not particularly confidence inspiring when you spend that kind of money and they can't get a clock to keep time...
 

Spotty Dog

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Location
Northumberland
2000 hours on our 630 so far and occasionally get a start and cut out, but extremely rare. More often is the “operator not present” error where you have to bounce on the seat a couple times and then it starts lol.
I disconnected the seat switch on mine and it still does this sometimes ! But it does start with no one on the seat at least.
 

e3120

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
2000 hours on our 630 so far and occasionally get a start and cut out, but extremely rare. More often is the “operator not present” error where you have to bounce on the seat a couple times and then it starts lol.

As above were on a 5 year warranty so I’d be expecting a replacement machine ASAP or future purchases would be in question.

@ACEngineering does this transfer box apply to both transmission types on the 630? We’ve not done anything other than routine 500 hour services so far, and those are expensive enough!!
I don't think there's any point bouncing - it just doesn't like being rushed. On our 635, we just have to wait a second if it complains after a half turn of the engine.
Ours is a MLT630-115 which is an updated model I think. The wheels align themselves as far as I know, at least I have seen any way to align them manually in the screen or the manual.

The clock gains about 6 minutes per day though. Not particularly confidence inspiring when you spend that kind of money and they can't get a clock to keep time...
Ours loses time. I suspect it might be caused by having 2 goes at booting up after being parked for while.
 

mo!

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
York
I disconnected the seat switch on mine and it still does this sometimes ! But it does start with no one on the seat at least.
After running into the Keenan and bursting a tyre we reconnected the seat switch on our old 627 (currently for sale on Russell's website). Some safety systems are worth fixing IMO. Not so keen on the boom cut out on the 630, why can't it default to bucket mode?
 

ACEngineering

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Location
Oxon
If a replacement machine doesn't appear then words will be being had.

2000 hours on our 630 so far and occasionally get a start and cut out, but extremely rare. More often is the “operator not present” error where you have to bounce on the seat a couple times and then it starts lol.

As above were on a 5 year warranty so I’d be expecting a replacement machine ASAP or future purchases would be in question.

@ACEngineering does this transfer box apply to both transmission types on the 630? We’ve not done anything other than routine 500 hour services so far, and those are expensive enough!!


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