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[db9go]

Looking at changing our 2005 JCB 528S for a center pivot machine something MLA T 533-145 or Kramer KL35.8T or JCB TM320 has any one got any ideas or preferences as we are open to new or demo models

 

[wuddy]

Looking at changing our 2005 JCB 528S for a center pivot machine something MLA T 533-145 or Kramer KL35.8T or JCB TM320 has any one got any ideas or preferences as we are open to new or demo models

Get them onto your farm to have a shot in! Buy the one you feel suits your needs and you feel comfortable in! Are the dealers good for each machine, back up is one of the most important things as they will all break down at some point

 

[ACEngineering]

Looking at changing our 2005 JCB 528S for a center pivot machine something MLA T 533-145 or Kramer KL35.8T or JCB TM320 has any one got any ideas or preferences as we are open to new or demo models

Technically Kramer isn't pivot steer so that rules that one out?

 

[ACEngineering]

Looking at changing our 2005 JCB 528S for a center pivot machine something MLA T 533-145 or Kramer KL35.8T or JCB TM320 has any one got any ideas or preferences as we are open to new or demo models

It'll come down to price and which transmission you prefer to drive!

Transmissions are very different in new MLA. No torque converter option which is a stupid mistake! Some will like it but alot will be so used to torque converter drive they simply wont want anything else.

Very short sighted of manitou that.
Same goes for not offering the torque converter in the MLT 741 now?‍

 

[wuddy]

Looking at changing our 2005 JCB 528S for a center pivot machine something MLA T 533-145 or Kramer KL35.8T or JCB TM320 has any one got any ideas or preferences as we are open to new or demo models

Get them onto your farm to have a shot in! Buy the one you feel suits your needs and you feel comfortable in! Are the dealers good for each machine, back up is one of the most important things as they will all break down at some point

 

[ACEngineering]

@Two Tone did I hear you had some trouble with yours?

 

[Two Tone]

It'll come down to price and which transmission you prefer to drive!

Transmissions are very different in new MLA. No torque converter option which is a stupid mistake! Some will like it but alot will be so used to torque converter drive they simply wont want anything else.

Very short sighted of manitou that.
Same goes for not offering the torque converter in the MLT 741 now?‍

Isn’t the Kramer hydrostatic? If so we’ll avoided!

As @ACEngineering knows, we changed from a very reliable Redrock to a JCB 320 a little over a year ago. Its torque lock torque converter transmission is superb.
Other than for a standard service, the dealer has never seen it. So far, it is the most reliable engined machine I have ever had!

What shocked me was the the equivalent newly launched Manitou was over over £4 more for an untested machine!
Especially annoying, considering their last centre pivot machine was an absolute disaster.

 

[Two Tone]

@Two Tone did I hear you had some trouble with yours?

Absolutely not!
It has been the most reliable engined machine we have ever bought!

 

[ACEngineering]

Looking at changing our 2005 JCB 528S for a center pivot machine something MLA T 533-145 or Kramer KL35.8T or JCB TM320 has any one got any ideas or preferences as we are open to new or demo models

Could always give one of these a shot?
They have the very popular bomb proof 6 speed T12000 powershift transmission so I hear.

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[ACEngineering]

Absolutely not!
It has been the most reliable engined machine we have ever bought!

Must be mistaken.
Afraid your old redrock has been moved on to another forum member up north now

 

[Two Tone]

Must be mistaken.
Afraid your old redrock has been moved on to another forum member up north now

Whoever has got it, it was a terrific machine in its day. We only changed because it was 10 years old.
But have to say the JCB is in a different league now.

Ironically, when we bought the Redrock, I was put off from having a JCB 310 by a farmer who had experienced a lot of problems with the new at the time JCB common rail engine.
No such problems with our 320 other than it uses so little AdBlue, that if we didn’t have something else that uses it, the drum would go well past its use by date!

 

[ACEngineering]

Whoever has got it, it was a terrific machine in its day. We only changed because it was 10 years old.
But have to say the JCB is in a different league now.

Ironically, when we bought the Redrock, I was put off from having a JCB 310 by a farmer who had experienced a lot of problems with the new at the time JCB common rail engine.
No such problems with our 320 other than it uses so little AdBlue, that if we didn’t have something else that uses it, the drum would go well past its use by date!

In another 10years! Let's do a 10year running price comparison?

Matbro TR250-110 vs
Redrock TH280s vs
JCB TM320

?

 

[Two Tone]

In another 10years! Let's do a 10year running price comparison?

Matbro TR250-110 vs
Redrock TH280s vs
JCB TM320

?

That’s the problem. Every 10 years, they just about double in price!
But I do think that they do get more reliable too.
They also get better and faster in all the things we ask them to do.

When I ordered the JCB, I wasn’t really looking forward to having it tbh. I remembered that 10 years before, I was put off having one, so chose the Redrock. Apart from the JCB this time, there wasn’t any alternative with a power shift transmission, I certainly didn’t want a hydrostatic and the Manitou was too new. Bearing in mind I want a machine for 10 years, I certainly wasn’t going to buy a new unproven machine.

I have to say though, that I am thoroughly impressed with the JCB. It is so powerful and pulls (loaded trailers) like a train. I love the three modes of boom suspension, the superb torque lock in gears 3-6, and its sheer tear out power.
The air con is brilliant, but if you prefer ambient air there is a clever way you can have the door and window fully open if you wish and are able to easily unlock and close them from the seat. The lights are plentiful and brilliant and the mirrors are strong and really well positioned. It is really comfortable to drive and all round vision is superb.
The ability to alter flow rates on auxiliary services is a massive advantage too.

 

[Purseypig]

That’s the problem. Every 10 years, they just about double in price!
But I do think that they do get more reliable too.
They also get better and faster in all the things we ask them to do.

When I ordered the JCB, I wasn’t really looking forward to having it tbh. I remembered that 10 years before, I was put off having one, so chose the Redrock. Apart from the JCB this time, there wasn’t any alternative with a power shift transmission, I certainly didn’t want a hydrostatic and the Manitou was too new. Bearing in mind I want a machine for 10 years, I certainly wasn’t going to buy a new unproven machine.

I have to say though, that I am thoroughly impressed with the JCB. It is so powerful and pulls (loaded trailers) like a train. I love the three modes of boom suspension, the superb torque lock in gears 3-6, and its sheer tear out power.
The air con is brilliant, but if you prefer ambient air there is a clever way you can have the door and window fully open if you wish and are able to easily unlock and close them from the seat. The lights are plentiful and brilliant and the mirrors are strong and really well positioned. It is really comfortable to drive and all round vision is superb.
The ability to alter flow rates on auxiliary services is a massive advantage too.

What sort of weights have you pulled with the 320? We are looking to buy one but weren't sure if it would tow what we would like, ideally a small muck trailer and bale carting would be helpful towing a small artic

 

[Two Tone]

I’ve pulled this trailer a couple of times fully loaded with our TM320S.

It had to have weighed over 20 tonnes full gross. It’ll pull it no problem and there is quite a hill between our grainstore and the farm yard. BUT it’s not the pulling that is a problem, more the fact that there becomes so little weight on the front axle that steering can be a problem turning off the road into the incline of our yard. So I need to be cautious when I need to do so. One secret is to push the boom out to add more weight over the front wheels, or better still have the bucket full of grain.

The torque lock torque converter and gearbox are brilliant, because it acts as if it were a proper clutch and won’t slip in any gears from 3rd to 6th. Mostly when pulling a heavy load up the hill, I take it out of auto and manually change the gears on the button. But perhaps I really don’t need to as it will automatically change gear just when I would. However, in Auto it loses torque lock for a few seconds, which it doesn’t do when in manual. But you can see what it is doing on the dashboard display and take over when you need to.

This sort of thing is a piece of cake for it

 

[Purseypig]

I’ve pulled this trailer a couple of times fully loaded with our TM320S.

It had to have weighed over 20 tonnes full gross. It’ll pull it no problem and there is quite a hill between our grainstore and the farm yard. BUT it’s not the pulling that is a problem, more the fact that there becomes so little weight on the front axle that steering can be a problem turning off the road into the incline of our yard. So I need to be cautious when I need to do so. One secret is to push the boom out to add more weight over the front wheels, or better still have the bucket full of grain.

The torque lock torque converter and gearbox are brilliant, because it acts as if it were a proper clutch and won’t slip in any gears from 3rd to 6th. Mostly when pulling a heavy load up the hill, I take it out of auto and manually change the gears on the button. But perhaps I really don’t need to as it will automatically change gear just when I would. However, in Auto it loses torque lock for a few seconds, which it doesn’t do when in manual. But you can see what it is doing on the dashboard display and take over when you need to.

This sort of thing is a piece of cake for it

Thanks a lot mate, it is difficult to find anyone or any information about towing with the 320's.... Just the sort of questions and answers that would make jobs easier for us in the long run!