Mass Balance sheet

[Hesstondriver]

 

[B'o'B]

I wonder how forth coming the assessor would be if I asked him how many assesments he planned to do, how many he'd actually done and how much he charges per assesment. I bet he wouldn't tell me so why should I tell him what a big part of my income will be!!!!!

A side note but I do know of a husband and wife who farm together but have there own farms and neither will let the other see what's in the shed, doors are locked and neither has access to the others.WTF

I would question if in reality that could really be called farming together!

 

[robbie]

I would question if in reality that could really be called farming together!

Well they share machinery and a yard but that's as far as it goes.

 

[Steevo]

Well they share machinery and a yard but that's as far as it goes.

Sounds like a marriage many would envy!

 

[DrWazzock]

Surely you have to weigh it in off the fields or it’s even more pointless? How’s it going to stop me importing and laundering 50 tons of wheat my neighbour grew on that nature reserve he ploughed up? How exactly? I could lose that tonneage in amongst my own wheat even on 200 acres.

 

[7610 super q]

Half of mine gets lost after it's been through the drier anyway. I know at least one person on here who would get excited measuring the " Stoor " under the drier........
Anyhoo, I suppose I could fill builders bags and weigh it all with a crane scales.
Or even fill 25kg sacks and weigh those with a spud scales.
Anyone got a bagger combine in the nettles ?

 

[Flat 10]

Are we allowed to trade as members of RT? As in oh blimey I forward sold 5 loads of corn, but harvest is crap and merchant collects 4 loads but 5 isn't there. I'm now in default but neighbour (who is also RT assured) says ok I will sell you a load to help out. Is this permitted? What if i sent the haulier direct to the other chaps farm?

 

[yellow belly]

The whole reason for mass balance records is to meet the he requirements of the red 2 biofuels protocol
The U.K. government is mandating 10 % ethanol in petrol
Ethanol in petroleum needs to prove it is from a sustainable source
Red tractor protocol has to meet these requirements
This then allows all U.K. red tractor grain to be used for ethanol without further merchant checks
If a grain merchant has the contract to supply the the ethanol plant and we had no red 2 in red tractor all the farmers supplying would be tied to that grain merchant this could tie seed Fert and Chem supply to the one firm

 

[Barleymow]

If you sell grain for ethanol do you charge vat ?its not a for food production or livestock feed

 

[Nitrams]

The whole reason for mass balance records is to meet the he requirements of the red 2 biofuels protocol
The U.K. government is mandating 10 % ethanol in petrol
Ethanol in petroleum needs to prove it is from a sustainable source
Red tractor protocol has to meet these requirements
This then allows all U.K. red tractor grain to be used for ethanol without further merchant checks
If a grain merchant has the contract to supply the the ethanol plant and we had no red 2 in red tractor all the farmers supplying would be tied to that grain merchant this could tie seed Fert and Chem supply to the one firm

What uk grain under RT is produced so differently it is unsustainable?

 

[B'o'B]

If you sell grain for ethanol do you charge vat ?its not a for food production or livestock feed

I sell it for production of brewers grains, I think they might make some other byproducts on the way thought

 

[fudge]

If you sell grain for ethanol do you charge vat ?its not a for food production or livestock feed

One can drink ethanol.

 

[yellow belly]

If you sell grain for ethanol do you charge vat ?its not a for food production or livestock feed

ddg is livestock feed from the ethanol process the ethanol uses the starch the protein becomes animal feed same with rape meal from biofuels

 

[yellow belly]

What uk grain under RT is produced so differently it is unsustainable?

we know that 99 % of uk wheat comes from sustainable land but we need to be able to prove it to the eth plant or they will just import boat loads that are certified as from sustainable land
they cannot aford to get caught with the uncertified feed stock or the ethanol will just get imported

 

[Flat 10]

we know that 99 % of uk wheat comes from sustainable land but we need to be able to prove it to the eth plant or they will just import boat loads that are certified as from sustainable land
they cannot aford to get caught with the uncertified feed stock or the ethanol will just get imported

I ask you are the Brazilian maize growers doing mass balance? And if they are does it prove anything. I absolutely fail to see how a mass balance proves my wheat is sustainable.

 

[fieldfarmer]

I still fail to see how anybody can run a business and not know what grain is harvested, what has gone, what is sold and yet to go, and what is left. Of all the things to moan about RT, mass balance is not one of them, unless you see the information as commercially sensitive.
I probably need to find out who these people are. I could buy a grain lorry, turn up , get loaded, run off with their grain, and they would be none the wiser.

If you want to drive around the country stealing grain whether I have done a mass balance would make no difference would it? you would still need to tell me which contract your loading out and leave a collection ticket and your lorries will be on cctv don't see the connection myself.

 

[Nitrams]

we know that 99 % of uk wheat comes from sustainable land but we need to be able to prove it to the eth plant or they will just import boat loads that are certified as from sustainable land
they cannot aford to get caught with the uncertified feed stock or the ethanol will just get imported

The irony of all our legislation is because we say we do it, it seems to be accepted that that is what happens. In reality they will import, mass balance or not, price will dictate origin and not a fudge will be given about sustainability. The theory and practice never align, this applies to many aspects of governence. Money will talk and dictate outcomes.
The data is commercially sensitive and has a value to us. We should not be handing it over foc.

 

[nick...]

Does anyone else wonder if farmers in other countries bend over and take it up the arse like we get forced to do.can’t imagine the French tolerating this nonsense.
nick…

 

[MrNoo]

Does anyone else wonder if farmers in other countries bend over and take it up the arse like we get forced to do.can’t imagine the French tolerating this nonsense.
nick…

So correct, it's painful reading some replies, like it's just accepted that this is the way or that and as mentioned other countries would just laugh if these things were demanded of them

 

[jonnieboy]

Simple spreadsheet with loads in and out
Just flash the screen at the inspector and say yes we have one or cover up the totals and say company sensitive information