Mass Trespass?

Location
Cleveland
Not even 24h since village did litter picking session and some arse has driven out to the countryside for a walk and decided to leave us with there sh!te yet again šŸ¤¬.
This is where they all park to walk up one of our tracks which also has a footpath, thereā€™s already more litter stuck in the hedge there too!
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Is it not possible to fit a cctv camera where they park to see who dumps their crap?
 

Phil P

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
North West
Is it not possible to fit a cctv camera where they park to see who dumps their crap?
Think you run into a lot of red tape if you start filming the general public, especially as it not really private land (although the lay-by does actually believe to the water board. I have considered just putting up some dummy cameras as it may just deter a few!
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
Think you run into a lot of red tape if you start filming the general public, especially as it not really private land (although the lay-by does actually believe to the water board. I have considered just putting up some dummy cameras as it may just deter a few!
put a picture of a policeman, I am sure I have read that some how that deters people from acting illegally
 
Personally I donā€™t mind the ramblers but why would I want more footpaths when they canā€™t stick to the ones theyā€™ve got?
Weā€™ve spent a lot of time on money improving the footpaths around our land yet people still think itā€™s ok to trample the crops next to the path:scratchhead:
This is just one of many!
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Then thereā€™s the litter! Our village community council and some volunteers have spent most of this week filling bags with litter dog muck bag and everything else people decide to dump in hedges.
They also spent a lot of time planting daffodils along the vergeā€™s only for people to come and park a car on them so they can go for a walk in the countryside šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø.
I can imagine what would happen if I parked on the flowers in one there gardens then trampled everything, let my dogs sh!t all over the place, throw some plastic bottles and crisp packets for good measure then bugger off! But itā€™s ok to do it in the countryside?

Being predominantly on the side of our hard pressed and much maligned farmers, I read your post and looked at your photo again and again and my mind kept asking the question 'WHY'? When a farmer has taken the time and the trouble to present the visiting public with a prepared footpath, 'why' are folk walking along side it? Something very odd going on in the minds of the general public there!

Do you suppose that a few laminated notices explaining what you have done and why would help? Perhaps even some volunteers wielding questionnaire clipboards to interview folk and ask them about the country code and what they think of a farmer who has cared enough to provide them with such good footpaths!

Perhaps silly ideas, I know, but at least it may be a start to bringing some sanity and something of a truce atwix farmers and the visiting public.

Chris (y)
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
Being predominantly on the side of our hard pressed and much maligned farmers, I read your post and looked at your photo again and again and my mind kept asking the question 'WHY'? When a farmer has taken the time and the trouble to present the visiting public with a prepared footpath, 'why' are folk walking along side it? Something very odd going on in the minds of the general public there!

Do you suppose that a few laminated notices explaining what you have done and why would help? Perhaps even some volunteers wielding questionnaire clipboards to interview folk and ask them about the country code and what they think of a farmer who has cared enough to provide them with such good footpaths!

Perhaps silly ideas, I know, but at least it may be a start to bringing some sanity and something of a truce atwix farmers and the visiting public.

Chris (y)
You're right Chris, we do need to engage with the public rather than rant about them. The problem is the lack of staff on farms to do this. Most farms would struggle to spare a person to spend even an hour a day to talk to walkers let alone anything regular.

We have no public rights of way here but Dad's farm is criss-crossed with them. I've often chatted to walkers there in breaks from working but doubt that exceeded 0.5% of the walkers on any one day.

In my experience many are interested in what we are doing and why. They appreciate the time taken to engage with them. Sadly a minority have no intention to engage or follow any rules. They are the real problem and I simply don't know how we deal with that.
 
You're right Chris, we do need to engage with the public rather than rant about them. The problem is the lack of staff on farms to do this. Most farms would struggle to spare a person to spend even an hour a day to talk to walkers let alone anything regular.

We have no public rights of way here but Dad's farm is criss-crossed with them. I've often chatted to walkers there in breaks from working but doubt that exceeded 0.5% of the walkers on any one day.

In my experience many are interested in what we are doing and why. They appreciate the time taken to engage with them. Sadly a minority have no intention to engage or follow any rules. They are the real problem and I simply don't know how we deal with that.

Some time ago, in a thread discussing the pernicious weed ragwort, I suggested trading off permission for farm access against help pulling ragwort.
There must be no end of metal detectorists, airgunners, and even a few photographers who would be more than happy to do some volunteering in exchange for farm access permission. I would suggest getting the volunteering done before any access is allowed though. ;)
 

Phil P

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
North West
Being predominantly on the side of our hard pressed and much maligned farmers, I read your post and looked at your photo again and again and my mind kept asking the question 'WHY'? When a farmer has taken the time and the trouble to present the visiting public with a prepared footpath, 'why' are folk walking along side it? Something very odd going on in the minds of the general public there!

Do you suppose that a few laminated notices explaining what you have done and why would help? Perhaps even some volunteers wielding questionnaire clipboards to interview folk and ask them about the country code and what they think of a farmer who has cared enough to provide them with such good footpaths!

Perhaps silly ideas, I know, but at least it may be a start to bringing some sanity and something of a truce atwix farmers and the visiting public.

Chris (y)
I honestly donā€™t think it would make much difference unfortunately. People donā€™t want to be educated or just donā€™t care! Weā€™ve put signs up, they get vandalised, Iā€™ve stopped to talk to people walking through the middle of crops with dogs and children only to be met with a torrent of verbal abuseā˜¹ļø.
The public want access to the countryside and then want to do whatever the please while they there because itā€™s not there problem if they cause damage and anguish to others.
Iā€™d like to say itā€™s a minority that spoils it for the masses but I really donā€™t think it is. Iā€™d honestly say itā€™s more like 50% that will either little, trample crops or just go wherever they please. It really saddens me that so many have zero respect not only for the countryside they use but for other peoples property in general.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
Some time ago, in a thread discussing the pernicious weed ragwort, I suggested trading off permission for farm access against help pulling ragwort.
There must be no end of metal detectorists, airgunners, and even a few photographers who would be more than happy to do some volunteering in exchange for farm access permission. I would suggest getting the volunteering done before any access is allowed though.
Around here most folk would rather pay for access than work for it. The fishing club here (own an old gravel pit in the middle of the farm) give free annual membership to those who attend at least 5 winter work party days. Out of around 500 members they only ever get 20 turn up, mostly the same people.
 

manhill

Member
Some time ago, in a thread discussing the pernicious weed ragwort, I suggested trading off permission for farm access against help pulling ragwort.
There must be no end of metal detectorists, airgunners, and even a few photographers who would be more than happy to do some volunteering in exchange for farm access permission. I would suggest getting the volunteering done before any access is allowed though. ;)
Make sure you give them the correct ppe, provide toilets, first aid facilities, training on how to pull the weeds without back injury, send them on a short course on mindfulness, look after their mental welfare, the list goes on!
Nah, get sheep to graze it.
 
Around here most folk would rather pay for access than work for it. The fishing club here (own an old gravel pit in the middle of the farm) give free annual membership to those who attend at least 5 winter work party days. Out of around 500 members they only ever get 20 turn up, mostly the same people.

I can certainly see and understand the situation that you describe and would have thought that paid for membership in the fishing club should entail one day's cleaning duties; whilst those who do a lot more continue to get free membership.

The farm access for metal detecting, airgun ratting, and even photography is generally on a much smaller scale and normally there is the opportunity for a build up of trust between farmer and those granted permission.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
The farm access for metal detecting, airgun ratting, and even photography is generally on a much smaller scale and normally there is the opportunity for a build up of trust between farmer and those granted permission.
Ideally, yes. In practice very few uphold their end of the deal it seems.

TFF is littered (no pub intended) with request for such access from 'new members' who never engage any further. All they are after is free access for their pastime.
 
Make sure you give them the correct ppe, provide toilets, first aid facilities, training on how to pull the weeds without back injury, send them on a short course on mindfulness, look after their mental welfare, the list goes on!
Nah, get sheep to graze it.

Fair comments! There was me forgetting about elf and safety! But detectorists and shooters should be insured against damage to property persons.
 

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