Mass Trespass?

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
They almost have a point

it's "the land", belonging to the land, Gaia, the planet Earth... not people

we just own titles, hard to see the logic in assuming ownership of something you're actually made of just because someone spent a lifetime paying off/inheriting a piece of paper, but we are irrational creatures

so, how does trespass work in this context, the homeless guy on the street owns no land and nor do we.
Maybe it's time to complain about ALL tools of social injustice and not just private property ownership?
 
They almost have a point

it's "the land", belonging to the land, Gaia, the planet Earth... not people

we just own titles, hard to see the logic in assuming ownership of something you're actually made of just because someone spent a lifetime paying off/inheriting a piece of paper, but we are irrational creatures

so, how does trespass work in this context, the homeless guy on the street owns no land and nor do we.
Maybe it's time to complain about ALL tools of social injustice and not just private property ownership?
Once they’ve claimed this ‘Brand land’ then what? Is it of any use to them? I think not
 

delilah

Member
@delilah

Are you going to defend these lunatics this time?
lol. As I have repeatedly pointed out on here, XR isn't the environment movement. Read my analysis on the 'Extinction Rebellion and Farming' thread. I pointed out from day 1 that XR would not be around for long. Rather they are the necessary spark that each generation needs to ignite an awareness of environmental issues. Most who were called to arms by XR have by now either joined the mainstream environment movement or drifted back into their previous state of not really caring. Only the hard core remain. Leave them to it they will burn themselves out before long.
As I keep telling you, engage with the mainstream environment movement, they are your allies.
 

kiwi pom

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Location
canterbury NZ
They almost have a point

it's "the land", belonging to the land, Gaia, the planet Earth... not people

we just own titles, hard to see the logic in assuming ownership of something you're actually made of just because someone spent a lifetime paying off/inheriting a piece of paper, but we are irrational creatures

so, how does trespass work in this context, the homeless guy on the street owns no land and nor do we.
Maybe it's time to complain about ALL tools of social injustice and not just private property ownership?
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Couldn't resist it
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
We can't take it with us... hopefully you can see the irony of British people attempting to conquer and claim rights to their "own land" for a change, after laying claim to half the rest of the planet, it's quite fresh
Ok Pete so where do you draw the line ?
What if they want to take the (I won't say your) car/pickup/bike for a spin after all its only made of the land,, a bit of iron and plastic that was all dug up from the land ? Say they want to go in the house sit on the sofa, eat the food, shag the misses? This ok ? It all came from the land, just where do you draw the line about whats yours and you should protect and what your just borrowing so it dont matter as you may return to the land you came from tomorrow?
Should we own nothing and let anyone do what they like with what we formally regarded as ours?
Whole civilisation is based on what we own or at least think we own from the best or strongest hunter wanting to have the best flint axe or whatever to us owning a car.
We are not the only species to do this some will claim the best hunting territory or the best nesting sight and as long as they and their family or mates can back it up its its theirs, perhaps we should fight for what we like to consider ours and would therefore defend, oh we already do just like lions or Robins you see its its perfectly natural, there are plenty of examples the only difference is we write it down with ink rather than p1ssing on a tree
 

caveman

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East Sussex.
Ok Pete so where do you draw the line ?
What if they want to take the (I won't say your) car/pickup/bike for a spin after all its only made of the land,, a bit of iron and plastic that was all dug up from the land ? Say they want to go in the house sit on the sofa, eat the food, shag the misses? This ok ? It all came from the land, just where do you draw the line about whats yours and you should protect and what your just borrowing so it dont matter as you may return to the land you came from tomorrow?
Should we own nothing and let anyone do what they like with what we formally regarded as ours?
Whole civilisation is based on what we own or at least think we own from the best or strongest hunter wanting to have the best flint axe or whatever to us owning a car.
We are not the only species to do this some will claim the best hunting territory or the best nesting sight and as long as they and their family or mates can back it up its its theirs, perhaps we should fight for what we like to consider ours and would therefore defend, oh we already do just like lions or Robins you see its its perfectly natural, there are plenty of examples the only difference is we write it down with ink rather than p1ssing on a tree
I rather think you will find, that when you read what is written down in ink, that you only own the right to OCCUPY as a TENNANT, a certain piece of land and as such you are not much different to your tom cat p!ssing up your sofa to mark his territory.
The land itself is owned by all of us, or we are all owned by the land.
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
Well... yes!

A lot like "The Treaty" in a lot of respects; one group wanted to "own parts" with the intent of sending it away piecemeal in exchange for tokens of indebtedness.
The other group had no context with which they could grasp the idea of selling bits of the landscape, because it had never been done.

"But you can't do that here" 🤭🤭

because in a local context "primary production" is a sector that takes from the landscape or modifies it for the gain of a select few, I can see it from both points of view.

On one hand we have some poor soul who has 600ha and can hardly afford to live, and on the other we have someone with nothing who can barely afford to live - worked well for some pansy I hope
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
Ok Pete so where do you draw the line ?
What if they want to take the (I won't say your) car/pickup/bike for a spin after all its only made of the land,, a bit of iron and plastic that was all dug up from the land ? Say they want to go in the house sit on the sofa, eat the food, shag the misses? This ok ? It all came from the land, just where do you draw the line about whats yours and you should protect and what your just borrowing so it dont matter as you may return to the land you came from tomorrow?
Should we own nothing and let anyone do what they like with what we formally regarded as ours?
Whole civilisation is based on what we own or at least think we own from the best or strongest hunter wanting to have the best flint axe or whatever to us owning a car.
We are not the only species to do this some will claim the best hunting territory or the best nesting sight and as long as they and their family or mates can back it up its its theirs, perhaps we should fight for what we like to consider ours and would therefore defend, oh we already do just like lions or Robins you see its its perfectly natural, there are plenty of examples the only difference is we write it down with ink rather than p1ssing on a tree
Where do you draw the line, great question! There is a fairly strong current in the world today towards "own nothing and be happy" aka "Agenda 21"

and it really tears your mind because what's right is wrong and what's wrong is "right"

I guess it depends to an extent what you're prepared to go to to defend that property?
Perhaps saying "Doppit, doppit pleeeease" won't be enough? Got bike locks for your cows?
 
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We can't take it with us... hopefully you can see the irony of British people attempting to conquer and claim rights to their "own land" for a change, after laying claim to half the rest of the planet, it's quite fresh
I thought we gave you your bit back which in turn should have kept you quiet, or did that set the rot in?
Here’s the deal the way I see it. If you want land you should either buy it or rent it. You can even buy it interest only.
Something for nothing or anything for nothing seems like a good deal to some especially if you can’t be arsed to do anything and even if you can’t be arsed or don’t have a clue what to do with it.
@Kiwi Pete this ^ is not directed at you btw ha
 
Reminds me of my neighbour (one of the few that still keep a good number of cows)
The bank said the overdraft was getting too much so they said they were taking all of the cattle
The farmers wife rang the bank a few days later and said ‘you better get yourselves up here your cows are calving’
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
I thought we gave you your bit back which in turn should have kept you quiet, or did that set the rot in?
Here’s the deal the way I see it. If you want land you should either buy it or rent it. You can even buy it interest only.
Something for nothing or anything for nothing seems like a good deal to some especially if you can’t be arsed to do anything and even if you can’t be arsed or don’t have a clue what to do with it.
@Kiwi Pete this ^ is not directed at you btw ha
What if you want it but don't have any money?

They might be like "explorers" and just stick their peg in and stay there?

In a legal sense, we tranferred some money and "the deeds" were tranferred into our names; which is really quite a cumbersome and expensive process compared to simply moving in, chopping down and burning a few things that get in the way of the view, and calling it "my new place"

Of course the law is on the side of "the haves" beause it was the haves who wrote the laws, but unfortunately when everybody keeps replaying the victim narrative, the number of people who see themselves as "the have-nots" increases over time, even the landed gentry pee and moan about "we don't get enough" quite a lot
 

Rejuvenating swards: Which option is best?

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Written by Brian McDonnell

Maintaining grass quality during mid-season grazing is important. Farmers can maintain quality by entering ideal grazing covers of 1,300 – 1,500kg DM/ha, and grazing down to a residual of 4cm every rotation.

If you are now in a situation where cows are not cleaning out paddocks as well as they should be, leading to the development of steamy grass within the sward, here are some options.

Common options for rejuvenating swards include:

  1. Take a silage cut, probably into bales, remove the material and start again with the aftermath...
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