Mass Trespass?

Overby

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
South West
Many of the socialists I know and grew up with are very selective and many operate on the "If I haven't got it. it's not fair and should be shared, but once I've got it, it's mine so everyone else better jog on". Bitterness, fecklessness and envy conveniently shrouded in politics.

That's not my comment on political belief, just a hypocrisy I see time and time again.

I'm probably a Libertarian at heart but there's no way that works either.

Muck spreaders at the ready, give the great unwashed an extra bouquet for a few days.
 

TheTallGuy

Member
Location
Cambridgeshire
I hold titles for some land, I've worked hard to gain those titles. Every year, I spend hard earned money to maintain/improve that land, and keep it in a condition suitable to grow food... Other people have bought houses, cars, holidays, booze, drugs, paid for hookers or dossed away their dole. Why should those who have done those other things have any access or rights to my land?
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
I hold titles for some land, I've worked hard to gain those titles. Every year, I spend hard earned money to maintain/improve that land, and keep it in a condition suitable to grow food... Other people have bought houses, cars, holidays, booze, drugs, paid for hookers or dossed away their dole. Why should those who have done those other things have any access or rights to my land?
Because they haven't got any
 

Still Farming

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
South Wales UK
They almost have a point

it's "the land", belonging to the land, Gaia, the planet Earth... not people

we just own titles, hard to see the logic in assuming ownership of something you're actually made of just because someone spent a lifetime paying off/inheriting a piece of paper, but we are irrational creatures

so, how does trespass work in this context, the homeless guy on the street owns no land and nor do we.
Maybe it's time to complain about ALL tools of social injustice and not just private property ownership?
Everyone wants everything if you haven't got it ,like the Communist veiws BUT when you skrimped and saved and worked hard for your bit ,your then have Capitalist veiws?
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
Many of the socialists I know and grew up with are very selective and many operate on the "If I haven't got it. it's not fair and should be shared, but once I've got it, it's mine so everyone else better jog on". Bitterness, fecklessness and envy conveniently shrouded in politics.

That's not my comment on political belief, just a hypocrisy I see time and time again.

I'm probably a Libertarian at heart but there's no way that works either.

Muck spreaders at the ready, give the great unwashed an extra bouquet for a few days.
My observation is socialists in Western countries believe all should be equal, just so long as they do not need to be share downstream to those less affluent than them! They demand wealth be shared down from those above then, yet they fail to grasp that as a citizen of the UK, earning minimum wage or above, their own wealth, access to healthcare, security and resources etc puts them on a pedestal far above the wealth of the global average person. They don't seem quite so keen for equally when it starts to impact their own standards of living!
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
I hold titles for some land, I've worked hard to gain those titles. Every year, I spend hard earned money to maintain/improve that land, and keep it in a condition suitable to grow food... Other people have bought houses, cars, holidays, booze, drugs, paid for hookers or dossed away their dole. Why should those who have done those other things have any access or rights to my land?
Exactly, it is not like they shared their holidays, booze, drugs and hookers with you or me is it.
 

SteveHants

Member
Livestock Farmer
It's hardly new, is it? http://kindertrespass.org.uk/kinder-mass-trespass-history/
Our US posters might not get it, but the one thing that the USA does very well is have massive areas of land that the public does have access to for sport and recreation whereas this is extremely limited in the UK - This possibly has something to do with many early settlers in the US coming from places such as the UK and Ireland.
 

Deereone

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Dorset
The police are hard pushed to police the cities let alone the countryside. It is up to us to prevent trespass (if only on health and safety grounds).
If world governments want to take our land then they can do the work too because I won't be doing it.
 

JimAndy

Member
Mixed Farmer
I hold titles for some land, I've worked hard to gain those titles. Every year, I spend hard earned money to maintain/improve that land, and keep it in a condition suitable to grow food... Other people have bought houses, cars, holidays, booze, drugs, paid for hookers or dossed away their dole. Why should those who have done those other things have any access or rights to my land?

And what % of your hard earned money comes form the taxpayer in the form of subs, maybe opening up the country side for them to see how their "hard earned"money is being spent is not that bad an idea
 

Swarfmonkey

Member
Location
Hampshire
And what % of your hard earned money comes form the taxpayer in the form of subs, maybe opening up the country side for them to see how their "hard earned"money is being spent is not that bad an idea

7 times as much is spent on housing benefit as is spent on Ag subs, with tax credits costing the taxpayer almost the same amount as HB does. Are people going to demand to wander through the houses of those in receipt of housing benefit or tax credits? Nope! So why is it ok for the usual suspects to demand to wander through one groups property because they receive a subsidy, but not through any others?
 

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