Massey 590 drivetrain 4wd question?

[Tomtrac]

I sold it privately in perfect mechanical condition to a neighbour when it was five years old. The steering was as designed however inadequately engineered I believe it to be. That was in 1984 for goodness" sake! Its condition was 'as new' compared to this heap that has has no control through engine braking, the cab rusted through, has no 4wd and is most obviously totally neglected. Your stance on this is totally unconscionable.

I dont know your back ground and the following is on an other thread
but its far mor dangerous these tractor flying around over 20 mph with hydrostatic steering there were laws about mechanical steering over fifteen mph i have had loads of steering pipes fail on tractors some under five years old and steering just goes to nothing an accident waiting to happen you cannot put everything in your own ideal world
If you are so concerned pm the op and as he said go and meet him and help him as you said safety is before money
Everything has its place and yes safety is an upmost important thing but risk assessment and method statements have possibly been in place

 

[Cowabunga]

I dont know your back ground and the following is on an other thread
but its far mor dangerous these tractor flying around over 20 mph with hydrostatic steering there were laws about mechanical steering over fifteen mph i have had loads of steering pipes fail on tractors some under five years old and steering just goes to nothing an accident waiting to happen you cannot put everything in your own ideal world
If you are so concerned pm the op and as he said go and meet him and help him as you said safety is before money
Everything has its place and yes safety is an upmost important thing but risk assessment and method statements have possibly been in place

You are babbling nonsense.

 

[Tomtrac]

You are babbling nonsense.

Ha
My point was i think its far more dangerous these tractors at 50 kph plus driving around than an old rusty tractor driven at very low speed on a beach

 

[Cowabunga]

Ha
My point was i think its far more dangerous these tractors at 50 kph plus driving around than an old rusty tractor driven at very low speed on a beach

The degree of danger is far higher with an old heap that has so many obvious defects and driven by and in the vicinity of people who are likely unaware of the danger presented. Your view of the other is not pertinent to this topic. Start another one if you want to debate modern tractor and car safety at speed on public roads.

Defend the indefensible as much as you like, it makes no difference. Its a heap that requires a huge amount of professional repairs to make safe, and that's even if its possible to make the cab safe and considering it is illegal to interfere with or modify the actual ROPS structure.

 

[Mursal]

Health and Safety (also known as common sense)

An older Massey with multi-power must be restricted to who is allowed to use it.
If for any reason "other people" will be operating it, get another tractor or lock the multi power so you always have engine braking. Its as simple as that ...........

Better with no tractor than a dangerous one
The cost of repairs/maintenance will soon fade into insignificance, if anything happens to a third party or their property.

But the original poster seems to have little value on other peoples time.
How many threads is this, on the same subject?

 

[sawdust]

unskilled operators

How does the O/P become a skilled operator then? is there a "Tractor School" were he can go for a weeks training then sit his tractor test???

Oh hang on a minty, you don't need to sit a test so he cannot become a skilled operator then unless packs in his day job and get in with an AD gang , to show him skill professionalism

 

[kverneland es 80]

No 1/2" at most. It's the same type of spool that's used in the bell housing to control the multi power and on 525/625 super2 combines to control the table throw out clutch

early 600s were the same

 

[Cowabunga]

How does the O/P become a skilled operator then? is there a "Tractor School" were he can go for a weeks training then sit his tractor test???

Oh hang on a minty, you don't need to sit a test so he cannot become a skilled operator then unless packs in his day job and get in with an AD gang , to show him skill professionalism

He has no experience and the tractor is a neglected heap with no 4wd and hence no traction or brakes at the front, which means very much reduced rear traction and near zero braking efficiency. It has no engine braking whatsoever in either forward or reverse and the cab will most probably fold up as if made of paper should it overturn. Driven down ramps to hitching to boat trailers with members of the public directly behind and naturally oblivious of the danger they are placing themselves in. A committee apparently oblivious of their obligations.


Just how much more unsafe can this combination of machinery and people and circumstances actually get before you people acknowledge it? Christ on a bike, the Health and Safety executive needs to pull their fingers out and give some of you a visit and a stern talking-to at the least. They will unfortunately, I suspect, find very little fertile ground in which to sow the seeds of common sense among many judging by this thread.

 

[Cowabunga]

early 600s were the same

Yes. I can't think of any other brand that used quite such a system, although fail-dangerous was too common until the mid 1980's. At least most other had a clear indication of the status of the system, using a light. Or they had a positive mechanical engagement system.

 

[sawdust]

He has no experience and the tractor is a neglected heap with no 4wd and hence no traction or brakes at the front, which means very much reduced rear traction and near zero braking efficiency. It has no engine braking whatsoever in either forward or reverse and the cab will most probably fold up as if made of paper should it overturn. Driven down ramps to hitching to boat trailers with members of the public directly behind and naturally oblivious of the danger they are placing themselves in. A committee apparently oblivious of their obligations.


Just how much more unsafe can this combination of machinery and people and circumstances get actually get before you people acknowledge it? Christ on a bike, the Health and Safety executive needs to pull their fingers out and give some of you a visit and a stern talking-to at the least. They will unfortunately, I suspect, find very little fertile ground in which to sow the seeds of common sense among many judging by this thread.

You never answered my genuine question to you!

 

[Cowabunga]

You never answered my genuine question to you!

The genuine question about gaining experience? He needs to go on a health and safety course which will hopefully spell out the dangers and responsibilities both to drivers and bystanders. He needs to RTFM and get to know what is acceptable and what is not. He needs driving tuition to achieve those goals. Most of all he needs a tractor that is in a good and safe mechanical condition.


You ask someone for help on the ground. There's no guarantee that anyone becomes skilled, even after years of experience, but these things are not toys and should not be left to people who have zero experience to drive.
First port of call for testing absolute basic skill is to train up for and do a tractor driving official test for a licence. I would further asses every potential driver for skills such as spacial awareness and the obligation to have observers to keep the public well away from the work area. Plus awareness of tractor functions and systems and best practice in using it.

But the provision of a safe tractor with all the main controls working with a driver familiar with the design and operating procedures is absolutely essential and non-negotiable, whether that be in a farm environment or certainly where the public is concerned.

You have to start with a safe and well maintained machine, which this is patently not. Then someone experienced, and with a bit of nouse, trains ALL potential drivers. Nobody that is not trained in basic operation and found to be competent should be allowed near the thing.

What the hell do you find so hard about that, that you couldn't work it out for yourself? Genuine question!

 

[sawdust]

The genuine question about gaining experience? He needs to go on a health and safety course which will hopefully spell out the dangers and responsibilities both to drivers and bystanders. He needs to RTFM and get to know what is acceptable and what is not. He needs driving tuition to achieve those goals. Most of all he needs a tractor that is in a good and safe mechanical condition.
What the hell do you find so hard about that, that you couldn't work it out for yourself? Genuine question!

Where do you go? to get tractor driving tuition. I've never seen an advert for this kind of tuition yet! to become as you put it a "Skilled Operator"

 

[multi power]

It's a miracle anyone ever managed to get anything done in the days when all tractors were 2wd

 

[Mursal]

Yes we all make do without, on our own kit.
But this application is different ..............

 

[Cowabunga]

It's a miracle anyone ever managed to get anything done in the days when all tractors were 2wd

You are too young to remember the seriously high major injury and regular local death tolls up to the late 1970's. Its bad enough these days and you must be aware of the chap who lost his leg above the knee only a few weeks ago reasonably locally.
Tractors regularly used to run off and overturn, squishing their drivers, all over the UK.

 

[Cowabunga]

Yes we all make do without, on our own kit.
But this application is different ..............

Yes, precisely. Nevertheless it really shouldn't make any difference whatsoever whether it was owner driven or an employee, a friend or a member of the public. An accident is devastating for families, friends and people who see it happening, not even counting the person directly maimed or killed.

 

[Cowabunga]

Where do you go? to get tractor driving tuition. I've never seen an advert for this kind of tuition yet! to become as you put it a "Skilled Operator"

Take your head out of your arse and you might find some training if you actually looked for it. Skill is actually learnt. Learning is something that too many people scorn, usually the ones in direst need of it.

It is noted that you studiously avoided my genuine question to you.

 

[Mursal]

Yes, accidents should be avoided at all costs, whenever possible.

 

[sawdust]

Take your head out of your arse and you might find some training if you actually looked for it.

So you can't

I don't need training, I'm a "Skilled Operator"

Your the 1 telling the O/P to get tuition

 

[Cowabunga]

So you can't

I don't need training, I'm a "Skilled Operator"

Your the 1 telling the O/P to get tuition

I have no way of telling whether you speak the truth or not. You certainly show a dangerously cavalier attitude towards safety and in this case the safety and welfare of any ignorant poor sod that drives that particular tractor.
Shame on you!